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They're rubbish! (see above):)
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This thread has totally browned me off..........tonight - loose end, fancied a drive - I mean a drive not a bimble - DSC off etc some rear end drift (OK lots of it) can't do it the Roomie of the Golf for that matter. Thanks Humph :-(
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On a positive note though PU. As I discovered when I bought my latest chunk of metal, the way prices are now you can buy something quite good fun for relative loose change at the moment. You don't need to make a significant purchase decision right now to get a reasonably entertaining car.
Why not just chop the Landy in against an aging but cared for BMW until you decide what you really want long term ?
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The Landy is going, MOT'd today, local guy coming to see it tomorrow- no effort in selling it, somebody "heard" it was going, he knows how much I want and that it's a reluctant sale (no offers etc) and he knows my heart's not really in selling it, so he either pays the slightly outrageous asking price or I keep it (as long as Mrs P's not at home)
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Can I change?
Someone passed me a classic car mag today and in there was a 1979 Merc 116 450 advertised. One owner from 2 months old and looked immaculate less than 1,000 miles a year and full MBSH - £12,000.
Am I mad?
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I know this is off topic but it's my thread so there !..........
Re your need for a bit of connected driving PU. For almost certainly a lot less than you will get for the Landy you could get hold of a Westfield or similar. I had one for five years and used it a lot more than I would have imagined when I bought it. Given that it was the third car in the stable it covered nearly 50k in the time I had it. It got used for transcontinental trips, business journeys ( if a briefcase was the only requirement ), nipping to town, all sorts really. Even in winter it got an airing on crisp days. Once even took it through Kielder forest on hard packed snow. Nothing I have had before or since has been as much fun, it turned every drive into an event. The only driver aids fitted were your wits. I miss it so but it no longer fitted our seating needs so it went. Really regret that decision.
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I mean a drive not a bimble - DSC off etc some rear end drift (OK lots of it)
Heh heh PU... see Tatra 603 above, no DSC, big crossplies, swing axles, aircooled V8 in the tail and those fabulous baroque Czech secret-police looks... Very good and well-made car too...
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Bangle good looks as well - what more could I ask for (Beer Glasses perhaps ?)
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Got to be all black with dark green glass. That two-tone job destroys the lines and plays down the chrome. Believe me, makes a tremendous difference.
I don't expect most people to agree about the looks though. Enjoying that sort of thing requires a certain, er, detachment and scorn for convention. A lot of car enthusiasts are unaware that car aesthetics are essentially a compromise with the ugly, and succeed or fail in widely differing ways.
Where is that Altea Ego when you need him? Guzzling wine and game on the Italian lakes I shouldn't wonder.
Edited by Lud on 11/08/2008 at 23:01
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Agree about the all black Tatra. I once sat at some lights in my ratty 1979 Dyane with the aforementioned black tatra on one side and an early '70s 911 on the other. I thought at the time it was quite a cool (aircooled, in fact), eccentric line up on a modern road system!
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Love it Lud. I can see why you would choose it. Makes me think of "Dick Dastardly" in Wacky Races !
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Hmmm
I've pondered this one. The terms and conditions seem pretty extreme: "The catch is that you must use it as your daily driver exclusively for that five years.
I understand that to mean that I may not borrow my spouse's (or son's or daughter's or father's or mother's or friend's) car for purposes such as going to the garden centre. This, as Stuartli hints, is not so much a prize as a five year sentence.
However, let it pass. Let's think about it. It must therefore fit with your real lifestyle. You will be responsible for its upkeep, fuel, insurance, tax, servicing, repairs and other running costs during that period."
So, I will want to keep down fuel, insurance, and repair costs. That means something from the last 15 or 20 years, since cars have tended to get more economical, (& reliable) and getting parts would probably tend to be easier for modern cars.
I would want a fair amout of space for luggage etc - something like an estate. The 535d seems like a good idea. Except that the insurance costs are rather high. And then there is the prospect of driving on lonely Highland roads in the winter with rear wheel drive. And the stigma of being a BMW driver.
Perhaps a Mondeo estate? But then that has a rather big footprint. And I quite like a high driving position.
A 4x4? Naw - not economical. And not that good for luggage space.
An MPV? Perhaps. Do any of them have a compact footprint and lots of luggage space? Ah yes. These vans with windows thingies have more luggage space than any estate car anyway.
I think that it is going to turn out to be a Berlingo.
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Finally narrowed it down to two -- DAF 44 Estate with the two drive belts and 12v electrics or 1957 Chevy Impala - both have big boots :-)
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Let's see. Wet dogs, rural location and a long way to town, poor roads, the odd forest track, hard winters, comfortable on long runs, relatively frugal, totally dependable but still enjoyable to drive.
Sounds like a recipe for a nice new Outback diesel.
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Surely the operative words here are 'perfect world'.
I can't imagine the mindset of anyone who, in a perfect world, would pick a Berlingo.
In a perfect world there wouldn't be any practical considerations, would there?
Sorry to be stuck in philosophy mode ;-)
Edited by mike hannon on 12/08/2008 at 10:57
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>> In a perfect world there wouldn't be any practical considerations would there? Sorry to be stuck in philosophy mode ;-)
That is why I mentally rejected Mapmakers's comment - "I think some of the posters above have forgotten they're paying for petrol and servicing..."
So I will stick with ther C63 estate or perhaps go for a 612 Scagletti which has a hint of practicality.
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I think that's OK Cheddar because the underlying point is that for five years there is no requirement to budget for purchase or depreciation costs. These funds therefore are available to spend on the the other costs if you choose. Now you could take a view that this therefore means that you could still go for a practical car and therefore reduce your motoring expenses during the period or you could decide to continue spend at the same rate and treat yourself to something you would otherwise not be able to justify.
I guess the slightly serious question behind my original post was whether most people would choose the treat or the saving.
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I'm not quite sure what the OP meant by 'perfect world' - and since the phrase appeared only in the title, and not in the message, I didn't take too much notice of it. (I assumed that it was a shorthand for what followed, and not to be taken literally.)
After all, the terms and conditions did refer to being responsible for such things as tax and repairs, which, in a perfect world, would not exist. And surely fueling and insurance are, in some sense, 'practical considerations'?
[Dunno if that counts as philosophy ;-)]
p.s. And I'd like my Berlingo without electric windows. Though some people will undoubtedly find a mindset with such preferences puzzling. :-)
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M5 Estate or poss that pumped up Audi estate the Rs6?
This is just making me want to hang round the Autotrader website looking for Spec Bs now.
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Evo 9GT or Porsche Caymen S. Both quick and practical, if someone else is paying the capial cost and me running it the Porsche. In the real world where I am paying both capital cost and running cost the Evo or the Porsche Boxter S.
When I get to be too old and stiff to hop in and out of the Exige it will probably be one of those.
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I'm part way - Landie was sold this morning for the asking price, which was far more than it was worth. Subaru featured in my conversation this afternoon.
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'ey up ! I can just see the headline now........
" Baseball cap wearing local tearaway in Subaru Impreza arrested for excessive speeding and drifting on Asda car park. " Much to the astonishment of local police officers they found that they knew the man as a former pillar of the community. " " His sentence will serve as an example........."
;-)
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I might be persuaded to let go of my Outback if you asked nicely.........
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When I see the likes of Aston Martins and Bentley I think it would be nice to have one. But would it. For an every day car something like a well spec'd diesel A6 or A8 would probably be my choice. Won't handle like a BMW but... it's my choice.
Interesting article in last week's Auto Express. Comparing an Audi RS6 vs the alternative for similar money... a Catherham, a Nissan 350Z and a Mondeo 2.2TDCi Titanium X. Yes all three vs one car. As a practical alternative the others won ;-) You'd keep the Catherham for a bit, the Nissan 350Z (or similar car) for a while longer and then the every day car you'd swap whenever. Running costs of a Mondeo vs. RS6... no contest.
A bit amusing that 50-70 in top was faster in the 2.2 diesel Mondeo I seem to recall.
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Common badge as it might be but a sierra cosworth (sapphire)
practical for every day use and ferrying around family,not to bad on wallet
for mpg and plenty of rear end tail when family not on board.
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