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Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - Mapmaker
Bargain. I could scarcely buy the oil and filter for that - let alone have my tyres gone over by somebody who is desperate to sell me some new ones.



They did tell me I need new front brake discs however as they were rusty round the edges, but I pointed out that I had a nice shiny new MOT, so I really didn't think so; "very well Sir". You'd have thought that if it were so urgent they'd have tried to persuade me a little harder, wouldn't you?


Tags: owning maintenance and servicing changing oil brakes

Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - Cheeky
Pluses - You get a cheap oil change. Minus -- you get cheap oil, poor quality filter and harrangued into having other items attending to that could wait until the next proper service.

Don't wish to cause undue offence to any Kwik Fit supporters, but I have found most collegues there incapable of even doing a satisfactory wheel balance. Small independents for me...

Edited by Cheeky on 15/07/2008 at 13:00

Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - FotheringtonThomas
Minus -- you get cheap oil poor quality filter


You can ask beforehand to see what oil/filter they will use.
Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - jbif
you get cheap oil,

Not true. You get top quality Mobil oil.
poor quality filter

Not true.
harrangued into having other items attending to that could wait until the next proper service.

Not true. The low-profit or loss-leader oil service is a means for them to get you in to their workshop so that they can sell you added-value items. As they are a sales driven outfit, they will advise you on fitting/changing items where they feel there is a chance of a sale. They will NOT harangue you nor use any high-pressure selling techniques.

One other service worth having done by them, if you plan to keep your car for many years, is their brake service; because they guarantee that "Once you have pads or shoes fitted at Kwik Fit, the replacement of these parts when they wear out is absolutely free to you, as long as you own the car.".

Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - leef
>>>Minus -- you get cheap oil poor quality filter <<<<<

Wrong, You DO NOT get cheap oil, they ordered the correct spec oil for my Mondeo 5W/30 (castrol may I add) and the oil filter was "champion" brand. I watched them do the job, I have my oil changed every 6,000 miles or so by them, in this case they are very good. For other stuff, I'd go the independent route (i.e. brakes etc) but for oil changes I disagree 100%.

Lee




Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - Tron
Home maintenance I still do a lot myself. I have even invested in a tinyurl.com/5a723n Gendan fault code reader.

I look on it this way - my paid hourly rate to me paying someone to do it at as much as £70 per hour?

Unipart or Partco prices are about the same:

Semi synth 5 litre 10w40 11.99 inc vat

Filter (Vauxhall Astra 1.6 petrol) 7.99 inc vat.

Yep, you have to go and get the bits & do the job as well as take the oil to recycling yourself, but you know it is done properly :) You also get to look underneath and this gives you (so long as you know what you are looking at!) an idea if there is anything else that 'genuinely' needs attention.

£5.02 saved = 2 pints of beer or even better still flowers for her in doors?

Big plus side - no heavy sales pitch...

...rust around the edge - show me a disc that has not!

Edited by Tron on 15/07/2008 at 13:15

Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - Bill Payer
All I will say is make sure you watch what they're doing while they're underneath your car.
Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - FotheringtonThomas
watch what they're doing while they're underneath your car.


What do they do, when they're underneath the car, then?
Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - Bill Payer
What do they do when they're underneath the car then?

Of course I'm not suggested for a moment that they would do this, but a sharp instrument could punch a hole in a exhaust, or a steering gaiter could tear. Perhaps oil sprayed on a shock absorber.

Undertrays are often fiddly things, so they also may not put all the fasteners back, or can cross-thread them, on any undertray that needs to be removed for the oil change.
Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - jbif
so they also may not put all the fasteners back, or can cross-thread them, on any undertray that needs to be removed for the oil change.


How do other companies do this work then?

Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - GJD
Of course I'm not suggested for a moment that they would do this but a
sharp instrument could punch a hole in a exhaust or a steering gaiter could tear.
Perhaps oil sprayed on a shock absorber.


Assuming you mean something like this being done deliberately, I imagine that would be more of a risk with a dodgy independent (as distinct from a reputable independent).

I'd expect a lot of hard selling, but I would have thought an organisation like Kwik Fit can afford not to have to take the risk of getting caught doing something that improper.
Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - Mapmaker
£5.02 saved... plus half a day to get the bits, and another half a day to dispose of the oil; plus with undertrays to remove and refit. No way. I thought I was the stingiest poster on this site; clearly not.


JBIF - do you know anybody who has ever claimed on the lifetime guarantee for brakes? The condition on the website is that you have to have any remedial work done that they recommend at any point that they do something to your brakes.
Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - jbif
do you know anybody who has ever claimed on the lifetime guarantee for brakes?


No. But then I don't know anybody who has ever had to have their brake pads/shoes/disks changed more than once during their ownership of a car.

Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - MichaelR
National are doing a similar deal with even better oil. Apparently they will change the oil in my car for £33, using Castrol Edge 0w30, of which my car takes 6.5 litres.

Thats less than the trade cost of the oil..
Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - *Gongfarmer*
National only charge £21 for my car, it was a MANN filter they used last time. I'm fairly sure they do it by sucking the oil up through the dipstick hole. Not sure what the cons are of that, but it deprives them of the opportunity to cross thread the sump plug and leave half the fastenings off the undertray.

Edited by *Gongfarmer* on 15/07/2008 at 14:13

Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - GJD
I'm fairly sure they do it by sucking the oil up through the dipstick
hole. Not sure what the cons are of that


Does the oil naturally build up any collections of deposits or general thickness over the course of it's life? If so, draining out of the bottom of the sump might clear that better than sucking up the filler pipe.
Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - FotheringtonThomas
National (...) I'm fairly sure they do it by sucking the oil up through the dipstick
hole.


I took my old banger (Cav 2.0 Eco) there a few months ago. They drained the oil via the sump drain plug. The whole process took about 40 mins. start to finish - car on lift, drain, remove filter, re-fit bits & fill, car off lift. They also mentioned the oil leak, a blowing rear box (pinholes), and that all the dampers need replacing (!). £21. Oil was Magnatec (no idea what filter used).
Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - Stuartli
I've always had the oil and filter change done by National's Ormskirk branch and no, it certainly isn't done by sucking out the oil.

It's a proper oil and filter change using Duckhams oil and takes around half-a-hour. I watch the very efficient mechanic undertaking the work and, because my Bora only uses four-and-a-half litres, I'm given the half-litre left over for topping up.

In actual fact no VW car I've owned has ever used oil or leaked it, so over time I've collected a full five-litre canister of pristine oil...:-)

Service used to cost £15, but now £20 or £25 (not quite sure). Even so it would be difficult to buy the oil and filter for that price, let alone do the work yourself.
Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - GJD
No. But then I don't know anybody who has ever had to have their brake
pads/shoes/disks changed more than once during their ownership of a car.


Really? Not even front brake pads? I'd have to check my big pile of historical receipts to be sure, but I seem to recall 25,000-30,000 miles for a set of pads, and new discs every two to three sets of pads as a rule of thumb. I guess that's still up to 60k miles before the second set of new pads, and I'm sure there are plenty of people who change cars before they've done that may miles.

Or my rule of thumb is wrong.
Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - Bill Payer
I'd have to check my big pile of historical
receipts to be sure but I seem to recall 25 000-30 000 miles for a
set of pads and new discs every two to three sets of pads as a
rule of thumb.


There's a huge discussion about getting the pads replaced free on another forum - apparently what happens is they say "sure we'll do it, but the car needs new disks" which of course are chargeable. Clearly, if the disks are being changed, then changing the pads at the same time is trivial, or non-existant if the pads have to be removed from the caliper anyway, so there's virtually no labour cost, and the parts cost to Kwik Fit of a set of pattern pads would be next to nothing.
Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - GJD
There's a huge discussion about getting the pads replaced free on another forum - apparently
what happens is they say "sure we'll do it but the car needs new disks"
which of course are chargeable.


Doesn't suprise me. I've been vaguely aware of this offer from Kwik-Fit but never bothered looking into it in detail because it fails my "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is" test.
Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - Stuartli
I bought my eight and a half-year-old VW Bora with 46,500m on the clock in 2003. The brakes have always been spot on but, when I had new tyres fitted last November when it had 62,400m on the clock, I examined all the pads myself as the individual tyres were replaced.

The pads all had more than ample life left in them and I'm very confident it will pass its MOT in this area come the end of November.

I've had too many instances of various outlets trying to pull the wool over my eyes in various aspects of "about to expire" parts to take little notice of what they tell me, especially if I know they are talking bulls--t.
Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - Tron
£5.02 saved... plus half a day to get the bits and another half a day
to dispose of the oil; plus with undertrays to remove and refit. No way. I
thought I was the stingiest poster on this site; clearly not.


I actually like doing this and not just from the point it saves me a few quid each year.

I don't have the hassle with trays etc on my vehicle(s) as they are not fitted.

All are trolley jacked up straight on to axle stands - wedge the rear wheels, undo the sump bolt, drain oil, old filter off & new one on, sump bolt back in, wipe all down, drop off the stands, fill up oil - 10mins max and no dribbles on the drive :) as I use a large funnel to feed the old oil straight in to a home made container (old tin that once contained Castrol oil).

Remember cold oil takes ages to drain and hot oil burns so only do this with a warm engine.

As for the bits needed? I get them when I do my food shop - Partco and a Unipart are both as good as right next door (5 min walk) to Asda! I ring in advance so I don't even have to wait for them to be picked.

Even getting rid of the oil is easy :) 25 litre container. 1/2 full I take it to the local council recycling centre that is 1.5 miles away.

Stingiest - heck, I even use tea bags 3 times before I recycle them in to compost to feed the vegetables I grow! (Only kidding, just twice actually....)

Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - Mapmaker
>>I actually like doing this and not just from the point it saves me a few quid each year.

There I don't necessarily disagree, but when it costs me money to DIY... Kwik Fit is 100 yards from my front door. Partco/Unipart? No idea where. I don't have a drive, I don't have a garage...
Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - Number_Cruncher
>>I don't have a drive, I don't have a garage...

Drive?, garage?,... Luxury!

Until we moved to the leafy suburbs last year, I had been doing all my car DIY on the front street. Owing to the camber of the road, that made working underneath problematic, but, a high kerb and a close length of dropped kerb helped with that.

For me, I simply wouldn't entertain the idea of letting those gibbons touch my car - even if the oil & filter change were free.

Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - oilrag
Exactly NC !

Can`t remember which firm did it, but the sump plug came out on the M1 a few years back on a colleagues car.

Tron, But do they put new gloves on to handle the new oil filter element- grit-free- ?

(bet you have a canister.... ;)

Edited by oilrag on 15/07/2008 at 16:45

Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - David Horn
You try doing the oil change by yourself on a Honda Accord. Once you've managed to get the oil filter off (using the tried and trusted screwdriver and hammer technique), you can watch as the remaining oil dribbles down the side of the engine (yes, some lunatic in Japan decided that it would be a good idea to mount the filter facing downwards...), and then, due to the cramped access, feel the burning hot oil make its way down your sleeve before you drop the filter in your tray of oil, losing the sump-plug at the same time.

No thanks.
Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - scotty
I thought 25 quid - that's not too bad - I'll have some of that.

No Sir, to you, that'll be £45. It only says from £25.

I think I'll do it myself!
Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - Dulwich Estate
Tell us MM, you must have won something on the lottery.

"£5.02 saved... plus half a day to get the bits, and another half a day to dispose of the oil; plus with undertrays to remove and refit. No way. I thought I was the stingiest poster on this site; clearly not."

This is the second time in as many days that you seem to be spending money !

PS Which Kwik-Fit? The one in the Old Kent Road couldn't be bothered to do mine. I've also had problems getting National to do an oil change in S. London too.

No hassles now - I get my oil and filter for the 306 in France and do it myself - just like the old days. Trouble is my back and body need a couple of days to get over it now.
Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - Hamsafar
When I went to Kwikfit a few years ago when first remarked about on here, they said they don't do BMWs as they don't have the filter, so I said oh I have a filter, and they said, we can't do it as they require special tools, I said no they don't, just a 32mm socket for the filter housing and I have one in the boot, they just ignored me and looked away. They're either too thick or lazy, or knew it took 8.5 litres of oil.
Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - Alanovich
My local Kwik Fit are too busy to worry about creating extra work when you go in for something routine. The same lads have been working there for years and are a very honest bunch, and very good at what they do.

I'm even going to give them 50 quid towards their Christmas party this year, they've been so good with mine and my wife's cars.

The first thing they did which I particularly liked and got me coming back for more was taking a puncture in to them, expecting to be sold at least a pair of tyres for the wife's Touran, and having it repaired within 5 minutes of arriving and being told "Don't worry about paying for it, but if you want to give the fitter 5 quid then I'm sure he wouldn't mind". They were just too busy to be worried, which I always take as a good sign. Sure enough, I've had several MOTs and Services done there.

Last month I had the Touran MOT'd, after having had some work done on the suspension at the VW dealer. When it was at the dealer they told me that the front brakes were 75% gone and needed doing urgently. And wanted 150 quid to do it. I told them to naff off naturally, and when I had the MOT at Kwik Fit I even asked them to check the front pads and told them what the dealer had said. Kwik Fit guy said "They're having you on mate, the brakes are 78% still on the MOT results, you'll be alright for another 10k miles at least".

I love 'em.
Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - jbif
they said they don't do BMWs as they don't have the filter, so I said oh I have a filter,

Some branches used to accept BMW OEM filters and note on the invoice that filter was supplied by customer at own risk.
knew it took 8.5 litres of oil.

In the old days, IIRC, they used to charge £40 for the over 6 litres oil capacity engines and use Mobil1 fully synth for BMWs.

The difference now is that the ownership has changed. The chain has gone through a revamp under the new private ventrue captial owners [just as it happened with Halfords].

www.kwik-fit.com/assets/pdf/speedy-1-limited-finan...f

Kwikfit is now a "wholly owned subsidiary of Financière Daunou 2 SA".

Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - Manatee
Changed oil at the weekend. Sucked out, about which I have no concerns, I know what oil I've put in, it's a genuine Honda filter, I know the sump plug hasn't been cross threaded, the new o-rings have gone on the filter casing and it hasn't been overtightened. Helps that the filter is right at the front and top of the engine.

I now use tyre bays only when I have to and I take the loose wheels along.
Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - Collos25
And all the rubbish is still in the sump.
Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - Manatee
And all the rubbish is still in the sump.


What rubbish? And if there is any 'sediment', what makes you think it would come out of the plughole? Watch oil coming out of a sump - it isn't Niagara Falls ;-)

IIRC Mercedes dealers suck the oil out - or is this an urban myth?
Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - Mapmaker
I'm sorry to pick up such an eminent poster as you, DE, but this thread is a week or two old. Twice in a month I will buy...! ;)

Manatee: >>Watch oil coming out of a sump - it isn't Niagara Falls ;-)

It is, if you have hot oil, and if you park the car with the two wheels away from the sump plug up on a kerb it helps too.

Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - jbif
And all the rubbish is still in the sump.


Andy B is talking rubbish! ;-)

Independent tests have shown that in most cases, the suction pumps empty out the sump more efficiently, than manually draining from the sump plug. The only time draining from the plug equals the efficiency of a pump is whee home DIYers allow hot oil to drain out over a period of one hour of more.


Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - Hamsafar
Most dealerships suck the oil out these days. That is what they do in their training (EMTEC/Carter&Carter) and is in the service manuals.
Kwik Fit £25 oil change - pluses and minuses - oldlag
going back ten years I know, but I got a nail in a front tyre took the car to a well known fast fit chain and had the job done.
short while after realised by oild drips that the sump was squashed and buckled so badly it had taken out some retaining bolts it needed a new sump plus lots of drilling and tapping threads to fix it.
Sad part was the day before it collected the tyre nail, it had a full service at an independent and I saw under the car for other innocent reasons just before it was dropped off the ramp, and I KNOW the car was 100% OK when it left the independent and before I took it to THAT fast fit.
lF i ever get another nail in a tyre I swap tyres with the spare and take the wheel in 'loose' now

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