What purpose a transmission tunnel? - Red Baron
Why do front wheel drive cars need a transmission tunnel in the rear especially?

There is no drive shaft. The exhaust does not run through it. Neither do electrics. And the bit of small-bore pipework that does, does not need a semi-circular cavity of 6 or 8 inches across!

Perhaps it adds rigidity to the floorpan.

But it certainly adds to the design complexity for the floorpan and the interior design.

My real problem is that with two small children the hump on the floor in the back of the car gets dirtier and more worn than anywhere else!
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - cheddar
Varies from car to car:

Stiffness

Routing for ancilliaries

Routing for exhaust

Facilitates 4wd variants

I usually get a carpet type car mat and cut it to fit the "transmission tunnel".
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - Collos25
Rover 75's have a transmission tunnel because they used the BMW 5 series floor pan, to save on having different parts presumable and also it will make a for a stiffer floor.
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - Cliff Pope
I remember when front wheel drive first came in in a big way - Mini, 1100 etc - it was blazed as signaling the end of transmission hump and tunnel, with much more space inside the car. Since then manufacturers have gradualy re-occupied the space, so cars are as cramped inside as the old ones used to be.

But neither design actually has to be that intrusive. My Triumph 2000, although having a conventional gearbox and propellor shaft, in fact has a relatively small hump and lots of space between the front seats. It is for example quite easy to walk through from the back to the front, with the handbrake folded down to the floor.
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - R40
Richard Woolley the designer of the 75 himself commented a few years ago on this rumour that had been doing the rounds for year - the car does not use the old 5 series floor pan, or any other BMW floor pan. The 75 like many fwd cars has a central tunnel.

hth

R40
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - cheddar
No tunnel might have made the 4.6 V8 versions of the 75 and ZT a little less likely!

The Mondeo I/II floorpan had a tunnel but then there was a 4wd version of the MkI, the Mondeo III floorpan is also used in the X-Type which was 4wd only at launch, the Golf/A3 etc floorpan facilitates 4wd etc, 4-Motion, S£, Quattro etc, likewise A4 etc ...
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - movilogo
Facilitates 4wd variants


That's the most likely cause.
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - rtj70
I would agree that the Mondeo might have had a planned 4x4 variant from the outset. And it did have at least one - the 4 wheel drive X-Type. The platform could have been used for other cars too but could not give examples.

The new Mondeo platform is used by Volvo and so 4x4 variants possible.

I too remember the big deal of the Escort when it went FWD. The "bump" where the transmission tunnel would be was very low. And as others say over the years the tunnel has come back even for FWD... we have to blame platform sharing for that then.
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - oilrag
You would`nt want the exhaust totally exposed hanging below a flat floor pan.
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - Pugugly {P}
Strengthening was the received wisdom back n the eighties when it all went crazy and the cars were dragged along rather than pushed. Number_Cruncher will be here in a minute though.
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - Big Bad Dave
A car with a transmission tunnel feels like a real car to me, not some king of flimsy skip.

The XJS had a wonderful, wide, solid tunnel. Short gear selector, lots of knobs.

I hate flat-floored cars with a skinny gear stick that's nearly two metres long.
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - Cliff Pope
You would`nt want the exhaust totally exposed hanging below a flat floor pan.


Like a Renault 4 perhaps? And of course proper cars that have a propellor shaft in the tunnel instead.
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - Collos25
"Richard Woolley the designer of the 75 himself commented a few years ago on this rumour that had been doing the rounds for year - the car does not use the old 5 series floor pan, or any other BMW floor pan. The 75 like many fwd cars has a central tunnel."

You correct

History
The Rover 75 started life as a project for the complete re-skin of the Rover 600, under the control of Rover Group designer Richard Woolley,[2] but following the BMW takeover it was quickly decided that the Rover 600 would not be re-skinned but replaced by an entirely new model. Work on the new model, codenamed "R40" progressed well with little or no interference from BMW, with the basic design having received an enthusiastic response from BMW management and both BMW and Rover believing that a retro design would be the ideal choice for Rover. Press speculation mounted towards the launch that the 75 was based on the BMW 5 Series thanks to the central tunnel in the chassis (normally only found on rear wheel drive cars) and the BMW Z-Link suspension from the rear wheel drive BMW 3-Series. The central tunnel was actually built into the chassis to increase structural rigidity.


The first production Rover 75 model, a V6 ConnoisseurThe car quickly attracted praise for its characteristics, including its ride quality, interior, and traditional looks. Critics of the car labelled its styling too "retro", suggesting it had been designed with an older buyer in mind. However, the 75 won a series of international awards including various "most beautiful car" awards, including one in Italy.[3][4]

Assembly originally took place at Cowley, but in 2000, following the break up of the Rover Group and the split with BMW, production was moved to Longbridge.[5] 2001 saw the introduction of the Rover 75 Tourer, swiftly followed by the MG ZT and MG ZT-T. Between 2000 and 2003, there were few changes to the range, the biggest being the 2.5 litre V6 engine being joined by a low pressure turbocharged 1.8 litre, 4-cylinder engine. The introduction of the "greener" 1.8 litre turbo greatly benefited British company car drivers who are taxed on carbon dioxide emissions. A customisation programme, Monogram, was launched, allowing buyers to order their car in a wider range of exterior paint colours and finishes, different interior trims and with optional extras installed during production.

In early 2004, Rover face-lifted the design of the 75 to a less retro look. Rover also added a new trim to the range called Contemporary which featured a more modern dashboard and exterior. This design was given a mixed reception by the motoring press, and Rover announced a new V8 model with a completely different front grille only a few months later. This grille was said to be inspired by the Rover V8s of the past but caused some controversy, being similar to the then new style of larger Audis. A long wheelbase "limousine" version called Rover 75 Vanden Plas ? about a foot longer than the regular 75 ? also adopted this new grille. The Rover V8 grille was made available as an option for the rest of the range shortly afterwards.

Since its launch, the 75 has been one of the most popular ministerial cars in the British Government. Various Ministers are driven around in 75s and Tony Blair had access to a 75 Limousine while he was in power, but was never seen in it.[6]. Recently though, Alistair Darling has been seen in a "V8 Grille" Rover 75 which could be the 75 Limousine. MPs said to have or have had a 75 include:

Patricia Hewitt
Gordon Brown
John Reid
Charles Kennedy
Ruth Kelly
Tessa Jowell
Richard Burden


What purpose a transmission tunnel? - Red Baron
Most cars that I have seen from underneath have exhaust boxes that would never fit into the cavity provided by the tunnel.

I have no issue with a tunnel between the front seats, but in the rear, it really does not help. My old 1986 Polo had a tunnel in the back, but that never had a 4x4 variant.
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - RichieW
OTTOMH I think one of the old Toyota MR2s (Mid engined of all things) used the "tranny tunnel" to host the fuel tank.
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - Number_Cruncher
Aside from packaging issues with prop-shafts going to rear axles, the primary purpose of the transmission tunnel is to stiffen the floorpan.

Lonitudinally, a transmission tunnel acts as a crush tube, which can initially be rigid and act as a safety cell, but once deformed absorb significant amounts of crash energy.

In a side impact situation, a transmission tunnel offers somewhere for the impacted seat to move into, away from the crash site.

In bending of the floorpan, the tunnel effectively replaces one large plate like structure with two half sized ones - this raises the first natural frequency of the floorpan significantly. As bending vibrations are the ones which couple most effectively with sound, this is also a good thing for NVH.

Going further, a stiff floorpan also reduces the problem of scuttle shake, and contributes to overall body stiffness. Where the ends of the transmission tunnel are effectivey built in to the remaining structure, there is an enhancement of torsional rigidity - if the ends of the transmission tunnel terminate in unsupported panels, there's no torsional rigidity gain.

Number_Cruncher
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - henry k
On vehicles with no risk of a rear wheel drive, why not a " transmission" trough ?
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - cheddar
drive why not a " transmission"
trough ?


Good idea though it would drag on the ground ;-)
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - Avant
The old-shape Honda Civic had a flat floor and masses of space in the back. Not sure about the new model.

So have the Mercedes A- and B-class, which are less bulky than most MPVs.
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - Ruperts Trooper
Change the name to "central channel" and don't worry why it's there - car designers do, generally, know what they're doing.
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - cheddar
So have the Mercedes A- and B-class which are less bulky than most MPVs.


The original A-Class had a double floor with lots of gubbins in between, I guess the newer A and B are similar. IMO neither look as good as the original A.
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - Red Baron
>>IMO neither look as good as the original A. <<

Agree, the new version looks like someone has tried to hammer a piece of metal, but never hit it in the same spot twice. Hence all of the angles.
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - ukbeefy
In some ways a slightly tangental comment but why do cars of current era seem noticeably smaller inside than say a Maxi or a maestro or a Citroen BX or Renault 16 but are longer and often wider. It can't all be body strengthening?

Where has all the space gone ?

Now to get a genuinely spacious car like the latest Mondeo it ends up being about 16 ft long. Whereas a car about 13.5 ft long 20 years ago felt spacious...
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - cheddar
1/ You were smaller when you went in a Maxi 30 years ago.

2/ Modern cars have thicker doors etc re safety.
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - Dynamic Dave
2/ Modern cars have thicker doors etc re safety.


Thinner actually, but have beams behind them to help dissipate energy along the length of the car in the event of a side impact.
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - cheddar
>>Thinner actually


No way, there are exceptions though generally modern car doors from paint to interior panels are thicker.

In part to accomodate side impact bars as well as elec window motors etc.

Edited by cheddar on 15/01/2008 at 10:51

What purpose a transmission tunnel? - Dynamic Dave
No way


Fraid so. They may seem heavier, but that's mainly due to the weight of the impact bars, electric motors, central locking systems, etc.

Unless of course you mean 'thicker' as in the sense of how wide the door is between the outer skin and inner door panel.

The door skins are also a lot thinner (some would say drinks can thickness) compared to cars of yesteryear.

Edited by Dynamic Dave on 15/01/2008 at 12:47

What purpose a transmission tunnel? - cheddar
Unless of course you mean 'thicker' as in the sense of how wide the door
is between the outer skin and inner door panel.



That is exactly what I mean DD, after all 2mm or 3mm thick steel will not make the car bigger or smaller though 100mm or 200 mm thick doors does make a difference.
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - Avant
"You were smaller when you went in a Maxi 30 years ago"

Not if you're my age you weren't. I had two in the 70s, one of them an HL (twin-carb) which wasn't a bad car. Both were very reliable, like the seven Renaults that followed them - maybe I've been lucky.

But the point is that the Maxi, like the 1100 and 1800, even the original Mini, had far more room inside than you would have expected given the car's overall length. I remember comparing my Maxi to father-in-law's (unreliable) Rover 2000, and the Maxi had much more room inside AND a bigger boot, while being about two feet shorter. I still can't think where all the length went to in that Rover - I always thought that the Triumph 2000 was a much better bet overall.

Sir Alec Issigonis may have been a flawed genius, but he was a genius nonetheless.
What purpose a transmission tunnel? - ukbeefy
Id' agree Avant. My first car was my old Gran's 1100 and as a 17 year old I could get 3 or 4 people in the back no problem (I once got 7 people in the car when my teacher miscalculated and it was jam the last one in or leave him stranded when we went sailing every Wednesday (for some reason I was effectively driving on behalf of the school - insurance was probably void but nobody asked...) I do remember when 7 up that there was a v tricky hill to get up that nearly resulted in a burnt clutch but we got up there...all 48bhp to the rescue.

A car the same length as a 1100 now seems very small inside.