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Volkswagen Golf IV (1998 - 2004) - Gearbox; How Much?  
Gearbox; How Much? - Russ66
Has anyone had to have the gearbox replaced on their VW Golf

My son has a Mk4 W reg 1.9sdi golf that has a gearbox problem.

The garage reckons that it will cost around £600 just to buy a second hand one from a breakers yard That's without the labour etc.
How do we know how long the replacement will last?

Apparantly they are a common fault on the Golf thus making them hard to source.

Many Thanks

Tags: technical issues gearboxes ABS electrical faults

Gearbox; How Much? - rtj70
Cannot comment on cost. But had a Golf GTi 1.8T from brand new in 1999 on a T plate. Gearbox was faulty from day one and was replaced. It made a grating sound (that's the best I can describe it as) when sometimes moving off. It was not fixed as (a) new box quicker to fit than diagnose and (b) old box could be sent back to VW for analysis - it was new after all. It took weeks to source it back then.

none months later got a Passat 1.8T Sport to replace the stolen Golf. Turbo faulty but the dealer replaced the gearbox first - it was in stock the next day this time ;-)
Gearbox; How Much? - OldSkoOL
This is very common on these cars i've heard of loads of gearboxes going. Someone i know had 2 gearboxes go on them for the 7 years they had the car; at first i thought it was their driving style!!

£600 is cheap i think
Gearbox; How Much? - commerdriver
where are you in the country?
Have had 2 gearboxes done over the last 10 years on older VWs by Chiltern Transmissions in High Wycombe, one Polo one Mk 2 golf, very satisfied with work might be worth a quote.
Gearbox; How Much? - jase1
I didn't realise the Golf had gearbox issues. How common is this?

Given that these cars still change hands for £3500 at 8 or 9 years old, I find it absolutely outrageous that they would appear to have a fundamental design fault with a key system like this.

Makes a complete mockery of their high residuals quite frankly.
Gearbox; How Much? - rtj70
"Makes a complete mockery of their high residuals quite frankly"

You only just realising this ;-) The list of problems on my Golf, the much longer list on the Passat and then one brother's MKIII Golf years earlier and other brother's Sharan and two Galaxy's....

My Mondeo a lot better.... and Mazda will probably be better still.
Gearbox; How Much? - Russ66
OK, thanks guys.

I assumed that the garage would remove his gearbox and re-condition it or something?

I don't really like the idea of spending all that money on a gearbox who's history I know nothing about, Hey Ho.

I googled "Golf Gearbox Problems" and was amazed to find how many people have had gearbox problems with their low mileage newish Golfs, especially the 1.6 petrol. Very sad.
Gearbox; How Much? - Collos25
Compared to all the VW's in the world its a drop in the ocean there must be millions upon millions with satisfactory boxes.
Gearbox; How Much? - jase1
Compared to all the VW's in the world its a drop in the ocean there
must be millions upon millions with satisfactory boxes.


You could say the same of a bloomin' Lada, it doesn't make them any good.

The difference being that if an eight year old Lada's gearbox fails you can throw it away.

This further confirms my long-held view that anyone who spends way over the odds for an old car just because it has a VW badge and therefore "is built to last" needs their heads examining.

And yet these same people will sneer at the far cheaper Japanese and Korean cars that combine reliability that VW should, and aren't, matching with far lesser outlays.

An old VW is a decent enough car if bought for the same money you'd pay for a Toyota or a Ford. It's most certainly not worth as much as a premium product, because it isn't a premium product.

Gearbox; How Much? - WipeOut
Went through three gearboxes on a Golf 1.6i all reconditioned.

1st gear box lasted four years, next 2 years, final one 7 months!

It's nothing to do with my driving style, I've never had a gearbox fail on any other car.

Wish I sold the car earlier. Suggest you do the same once you've got the gearbox resolved.
Gearbox; How Much? - DP
I nearly went into lots of debt for a newish GTI 1.8T a few years ago. This, and the coil failure episodes that kicked off shortly afterwards makes me glad I didn't.

Mind you my in-laws have just happily handed over £6k for a 6 year old, 80,000 mile GT TDI PD. Nice enough car, but nearly 40% of its new price at this age and mileage??

Cheers
DP
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04 Grand Scenic 1.9 dCi Dynamique
00 Mondeo 1.8TD LX
Gearbox; How Much? - PhilDews
£6K isn't too bad for a barely run in (presumably 130 - is it a 2001 model??) - the market dictates car prices, and I'm guessing that this is from a 'larger well equipped dealer'??

I paid £7500 for my 107K 2004 Golf GTI 150 diesel..... And the main dealers ## retail those at about £11K with sensible (32K) on the clock!

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Gearbox; How Much? - DP
It's a 115bhp, 2001 on a Y, but it does have the full leather interior and the optional electric sunroof (the latter is very rare and my father in law wanted it). Bought from an indie dealer. I agree, there were none around significantly cheaper unless we were prepared to put up with 140,000 miles (we weren't). Even they were £5k+

I'm sure the engine is just run in, but it by no means feels like a new car. Still drives nicely and has plenty of life left in it, but it was a lot of money for what it was I felt.

My father in law wouldn't even test drive anything else, and ignored all advice for alternatives, so it was my job merely to find him the best one I could for what he had to spend. Funny how VWs command such unwavering loyalty.

Cheers
DP
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04 Grand Scenic 1.9 dCi Dynamique
00 Mondeo 1.8TD LX
Gearbox; How Much? - local yokel
>Funny how VWs command such unwavering loyalty.

Except we had a succession of minor lemons - Golf 2 with an early HG, replaced before failure at 50k, also early starter failure. Golf 3 that fell apart fast, albeit at 10 y/o. SWMBO went right off them, and now loves the Focus.
Gearbox; How Much? - DP
Except we had a succession of minor lemons - Golf 2 with an early HG
replaced before failure at 50k also early starter failure. Golf 3 that fell apart fast
albeit at 10 y/o


Don't get me wrong, I know of three unreliable/badly made 2000-2005 Volkswagens, worst being my brother-in-laws former 2001 Passat TDI 130 which cost over £2500 in unscheduled repairs in the year he owned it after the warranty ran out. Clutch and DMF at 65,000 miles, two cases of water ingress, alarm ECU, central locking failure, air-con leak - a huge list. It was a carp car in all honesty despite being inconsiderately driven and well looked after. I had a 1998 Polo which was awful. VW make some nice cars, but I know for a fact they are not better made or more reliable than Ford, Vauxhall or most of the other mainstream brands.

Father in law has quite a good history with VW having owned a mk2 Golf 1.6D which was perfect, a mk3 Golf 1.9TD which was perfect, and his previous mk4 TDI PD 115 (RIP - lost a fight with an artic) which he admitted wasn't as well put together as the mk2 or mk3, and although not exactly a dog, not perfectly reliable either. He also knows all the bad ones that I know, but his loyalty is unwavering. What I don't get is that he won't even look at the Seat/Skoda alternatives which are mechanically identical, but much better value for money. I think a lot of brands, and in fairness,not just VW, rely on people's rigid insistence on what they know. It's his cash and his decision, but sheer weight of odds suggests there's another car out there which will better suit his needs.

But some people can't be told. I did my duty and found the car and he's happy. That's what matters I suppose, but I would have been happier personally in a newer, lower mileage Focus or Megane.

Cheers
DP
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04 Grand Scenic 1.9 dCi Dynamique
00 Mondeo 1.8TD LX
Gearbox; How Much? - rtj70
"optional electric sunroof (the latter is very rare and my father in law wanted it). "

Strange how trends change. When I got my Golf GTI on a T plate ('99) the sunroof was standard. It was air-con that was not. So my GTI 1.8T was pretty rare back then even because I not only had air-con + sunroof (technical a moonroof) but also cruise control, non-standard coloured seats (black GTIs came with black-red but mine had the black-blue checks) and a CD autochanger.... which makes me wonder how someone could give it a new identity in the UK when it was stolen after 6 months. Probably broken for spares or sent overseas.
Gearbox; How Much? - whoopwhoop
....non-standard coloured seats (black GTIs came with black-red but mine
had the black-blue checks)


There's nothing non-standard about black/blue seats in a Black GTI.

When the car was first ordered, the customer had a choice of Black/Grey, Black/Red or Black/Blue. Some paint colours precluded certain trim options (e.g. a if you ordered red paint you couldn't have black/blue seats) but certainly all 3 trim colours were available with Black paint. I know because I ordered a brand new Black GTI myself. (I chose Red!)

Black/blue was "rare" because it simply didn't look very nice, meaning not many people chose it.
Gearbox; How Much? - flunky
I paid £7500 for my 107K 2004 Golf GTI 150 diesel..... And the main dealers
retail those at about £11K with sensible (32K) on the clock!


And I paid £7300 for my 53 reg Volvo 2.5T S80 in April with half the miles (52,000). A second and a half quicker to 60, and 12mph higher top speed, plus leather trim and plenty of room, plus the original showroom price was £10k higher than your VW. Might not keep up with the fuel consumption of your diesel though....

VW = overpriced used vehicles. Big non-German saloon = used bargain.
Gearbox; How Much? - whoopwhoop
And I paid £7300 for my 53 reg Volvo 2.5T S80 in April with half
the miles (52 000). A second and a half quicker to 60 and 12mph higher
top speed plus leather trim



Yeah, but it's a Volvo, which means nobody admires them, which means nobody aspires to own one, which means their value plummets like a lead baloon.

In the next 3 years the GTI 150 will probably still be worth £5k wheras your Volvo will be worth banger money.

So in 3 years the Golf driver will have lost £2.5k to drive a desirable motor with high credibility for 3 years wheras you'll have lost £6k to drive a...... Volvo!

Still feeling smug?
Gearbox; How Much? - jase1
So in 3 years the Golf driver will have lost £2.5k to drive a desirable
motor with high credibility for 3 years wheras you'll have lost £6k to drive a......
Volvo!


Hardly.

The Golf driver will lose more or less the same amount as a Volvo over that period, and I know which I'd rather have. A distinctive, high quality product (Volvo) or a leggy, bland Eurobox with numb handling and a dodgy gearbox (VW).

The VW may have £3000 off what it should cost due to the miles, but a 100K Volvo is going to be a lot more desirable at 6yo than a 150K Golf.
Gearbox; How Much? - flunky
Yeah but it's a Volvo which means nobody admires them which means nobody aspires to
own one which means their value plummets like a lead baloon.


Plenty of market for XC90s and V70s, because they are models that fit the Volvo brand image - large safe cars for middle class parents.

The residuals of the XC90 are considerably better than the oh-so-desirably-badged BMW X5.

Less market for Volvo saloons, but that makes it an opportunity, the idea that lower (percentage) deprecation means that spending an extra £7k on a premium badg won't actually cost me more money is just laughable - less in percentages, but far more in actual pounds sterling.
In the next 3 years the GTI 150 will probably still be worth £5k wheras
your Volvo will be worth banger money.


Doubtful, a six-year-old hatchback with megamileage on it is going to be worth very little.

Check price guides - these cars still drop £1k/year.
So in 3 years the Golf driver will have lost £2.5k to drive a desirable
motor with high credibility for 3 years wheras you'll have lost £6k to drive a......
Volvo!
Still feeling smug?


Pretty much, given that there are 8-year-old S80s on Autotrader with 100k mileage and up with lower spec starting no lower than £3k

And while I'm not especially concerned about credibility, I very much doubt that I am going to have higher credibility with anyone over the age of about 25 (for which read anyone who actually has any money) driving a hot hatch than a luxurious saloon. And I can't imagine for me, finding it nicer driving a small hatchback than a nice big comfortable, powerful car.

Volkswagen is not exactly a prestige badge is it, and the last Golf (well Jetta) I experienced was a complete lemon, which put me right off the idea of Volkswagens being reliable.
Gearbox; How Much? - Pezzer
I think HJ normally recommends a couple of Gearbox specialists. One was in Epsom - I suspect you'll find them in the 'Directories' somewhere or certainly in his Telegraph agony column archives.
Gearbox; How Much? - PhilDews
I should say that I bought the Golf mainly for my wife to learn in (not quite true - I loved my golf before, but do secretly hanker after a nice big volvo or similar!!) - And the 60mpg if driven steady is nice as well, specially with diesel at 102.9 at my local garage!!


Gearbox; How Much? - PhilDews
And it will be worth less in 2 years time with over 200K on the clock. Still its comfy and laps up the 110 miles a day commute.
Gearbox; How Much? - rtj70
"specially with diesel at 102.9 at my local garage"

How much.... it's about 94p/litre here in places. And Tesco currently offering 5p/litre off if you spend more than £50 in store. £1.029/litre makes me a little mad/sad.
Gearbox; How Much? - PhilDews
I tend to fill up at work, 93.9, but driving past my local garage every morning concentrates the mind somewhat to both drive more sensibly and remember to fill up, as it would cost me about £4 more to fill up locally!

This is the problem living in the sticks - There are 4 petrol stations I can think of within about 12 miles either side of my village! Thank goodness for Tesco/Sainsbury in Coventry!

The question about resale value of the Golf is largely academic for me - I don't plan on selling it, more running it into the ground. Once the wife passes, she can have it and I'll get some equally high mileage but slightly larger car, something like a V70 or I might even use the 4x4 I'm planning to buy as day-to-day transport IF I can get one with a decent even MPG...

My problem at the minute is I think the Golf needs a new clutch... It doesn't seem to have had one yet (computer printout of all service items - nothing on there to suggest clutch!) It is making a clonking when bringing the clutch up and pulling away, could be the bearing?

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