Why the inane comments about Cayennes? Much less in your face than a RR Sport or similar.
because flunky has found another way to get around his other thread on cayennes from yesterday which was locked and all contributions deleted!
p.s. i agree with tr7v8 on the success of the cayenne for porsche's fortunes. their current decline in sales the states is very small compared to other makers of big suv and 4x4 trucks/cars.
i also think cayennes are the best option of the lot when you want to choose a car that has the least "bling" amongst the competitors in this sector.
i would choose it over the others in the sector any day, regardless of what "knowledgeable" backroomers say about it. because i like it, it is my money to waste, and that is what matters to me in the end.
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Most people complain about Cayennes and their owners because they want one themselves and are envious. Aprilia runs them down because of his prejudice, clearly stated here on many occasions, against large 4X4s. However not even Aprilia is always right. One of his reasons for disliking these vehicles is that they handle badly on the road. I've never driven a Cayenne or been in one, but I have seen some going rapidly on twisty bits and they look fine to me. And testers say they are. So they obviously are.
So this is one of the rare occasions when Aprilia is wrong and over the top, as the rest of us tend to be more often.
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Most people complain about Cayennes and their owners because they want one themselves and are envious.
i agree entirely. in the posts that got deleted (pugugly is to blame for encouraging me not to hold back), i used words such as "politics of envy, jealousy, vandalism, cowardice, criminal, scum ...." and other choice juiicy bits which are now not relevant.
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>> Most people complain about Cayennes and their owners because they want one themselves >> and are envious. i agree entirely. in the posts that got deleted (pugugly is to blame for encouraging me not to hold back) i used words such as "politics of envy jealousy vandalism cowardice criminal scum ...." and other choice juiicy bits which are now not relevant.
And equally I responded by pointing out that as a Cayenne makes you an object of disgust from people around, it is hardly something to envy.
It's not as if they are even exclusive, a low-end one costs 30% more than a 2.4 litre Honda Accord.
If I did want one, I would take the cash out of the bank and buy it. However, I have no ambition to look like the most arrogant person on the road, so I won't. I don't care about handling or speed, the statement they make is clear, and it is one of arrogant contempt of everyone else around you.
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"You'd have thought for the price of one of these it would come with decent security features."
Listened to this as a "news" item (do I care ? -not really, is this going to impact on my life ? - no, Is this going to compromise Middle East Security ? - doubt it, so why was it on the news and not in the pages of some vacuous celebrity magazine and not on prime time news "Rant mode off") it appears that this overpaid gamesperson had it stolen as a result of a burglary so presumably the keys were nicked and the security devices overcome that way.
Is the Cayenne a good car ? Yes it is, it's well made, has adequate power, whilst not handling as well as a 911 would certainly see off a number of fwd euroboxes, it's different, it is made by a maker of repute, Porsche would never have put their name to it otherwise.
I am soooo grumpy today.
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cheer up, console yourself witht the thought that if you could afford one you wouldn't buy one, you'd go for something far more tasteful.
JH
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Apart from the - very very - occasional Range Rover, the butt-ugly Cayenne is the only 4x4 you see in Monaco and the nearby Cote d'Azur. Of course image is all down there, and they only look at the mountains, never drive up them.
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"> Most people complain about Cayennes and their owners because they want one themselves and are envious. <"
But they get in the way, that's the big problem. lumbering, obese and gargantuan. And that's just the owners. I propose an obesity tax, for cars and people.
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i love the look of the cayenne aespecially in black, but then i like motor cars in general,good luck to the owners as well, its their money, most of them pay taxes and a lots of it.
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Nothing at all against the cars a lot against overpaid celebrities. Apart from Porsches they also have clever accountants and tax lawyers who minimise their exposure to HMIT.....SWMBO is seriously looking at this line of work, she reckons she could increase her income by 25% by having two or three celeb clients and cut her workload by the same amount. These people make indecent amounts of money at the expense of the economy and "normal" people.
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Nothing at all against the cars a lot against overpaid celebrities. Apart from Porsches they also have clever accountants and tax lawyers who minimise their exposure to HMIT.....SWMBO is seriously looking at this line of work she reckons she could increase her income by 25% by having two or three celeb clients and cut her workload by the same amount. These people make indecent amounts of money at the expense of the economy and "normal" people.
The government are none too smart.
Brown cut taxes for small companies in the name of encouraging enterprising.
He was then surprised when vast (hundreds of thousands) of self-employed people incorporated themselves to save themselves thousands in tax compared with the normal personal income tax regime.
He's spent the next 5 years raising small business taxes.
Accountants look at taxes and try and minimise them. The government for some reason haven't understood this.
Don't think the lefties don't do the same though. Top left-wing journalists earning six figures and going on about 'fairness' are all avoiding tax by means of personal service companies. When it comes down to it, people want to keep as much of their money as they can. The good thing for governments about PAYE is that it takes the power away from the individual. Without tax percentages would be much higher to achieve the same tax take.
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I recall the Top Gear test drive of the Cayenne in which they were stunned how it performed like a sports car even though it weighs something like nearly 2 tonnes!
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The 2008 model with feature a 780 hp V-12 engine with two turbochargers and will be able to reach an estimated top speed of 272 mph.
I want one.
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The 2008 model with feature a 780 hp V-12 engine with two turbochargers and will be able to reach an estimated top speed of 272 mph. I want one.
you kick the door down i will grab the keys bruv
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"> Most people complain about Cayennes and their owners because they want one themselves and are envious. <" But they get in the way that's the big problem. lumbering obese and gargantuan. And that's just the owners. I propose an obesity tax for cars and people.
But they are not. They are usually small, petite and blonde bimbi with 2.4 children, aren't they?
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Err very stupid comment. Most cars at this value have tracker type security as insurance Co's get very excited otherwise. Porsche security is very high as you'd expect with £60K-£90K cars but I assume you own cars of much less value so can mouth off with zero knowledge.
Stupid comment? Zero knowledge?
You are quite right, your comments were pretty stupid.
The Cayenne doesn't have any tracker, except on the Turbo, and it's not a £60k-£90k car, it's £37k for the base model, £47k for an S, or £75k for the Turbo. Although they still charge for metallic paint....
Interesting that they include this in the options list:
:Deletion of model designation No-cost option
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"The Cayenne doesn't have any tracker"
Eh ? Even bog standard small change Golfs have them as standard.
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These people make indecent amounts of money at the expense of the economy and "normal" people.
pugugly - some seriously wooly economic thinking there.
whether you are a totally red communist or true blue capitalist, money makes the world go round. and it goes round better if you have differentials in earning power at all levels.
it does matter whether these differentials are in small multiples or orders of multiplesas demonstrated by the economies of the old communist block countries and those of the capitalist west.
unless those people making "indecent amounts of money" literally burn their cash or hide it under mattresses, they keep the wheels of the economy going, either by spending their money or by "investing" it. whatever they do, it results in the money trickling back in to circulation.
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You're right really Dalglish. I've come across all socialist tonight, had a really bad day whereby a "client" thought that waving "loads of money" about would make something nasty go away and the whole thing made me sick to be honest.
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"The Cayenne doesn't have any tracker" Eh ? Even bog standard small change Golfs have them as standard.
Do they? I know of very few cars in the UK that come fitted with Trackers as standard!
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The Cayenne doesn't have any tracker except on the Turbo and it's not a £60k-£90k car it's £37k for the base model £47k for an S or £75k for the Turbo. Although they still charge for metallic paint....
For someone that comes across as hating the Cayenne, you *seem* to know an awful lot about them. Does the anorak match the upolstery? I would have thought they would have clashed....
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"Most people complain about Cayennes and their owners because they want one themselves and are envious."
Lud, that may well be true, but in my case I stand by my comments, they are a typical footballer's car and I really would rather stick pins in my eyes! : ) It is not the politics of envy, I do not see footballers as worthy of their incomes and lifestyle and therefore do not "aspire" to be like them. Rightly or wrongly, I perceive big 4*4 cars like the Cayenne as conspicous consumption show-off cars, ergo not interested.
I don't object to money and the moneyed in principle, I object to bling and celebrity worship. Education, knowledge and intellect could and should be the badges of honour.
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You are quite right your comments were pretty stupid. The Cayenne doesn't have any tracker except on the Turbo and it's not a £60k-£90k car it's £37k for the base model £47k for an S or £75k for the Turbo. Although they still charge for metallic paint.... Interesting that they include this in the options list: :Deletion of model designation No-cost option
The reason I said zero knowledge which you just quite clearly demonstrated is that Porsche list it as an option & in the UK where most insurance Co's demand higher security than the rest of Europe then they specify either a Porsche tracker or an after market one depending on insurer.
As for cost I was talking generic Porsche not specifically Cayenne as your comment was "Porsche" not specifically the Cayenne. But most Cayennes come out with a massive amount of options, I think the guide line on a V6 is £12K worth & is not much less on most of the others.
I've just made a £90K Cayenne after using 1/2 the options list!
As for deletion of model designation this is common across the board in German markets BMW, Audi etc all do it so the point is not specific to Porsche!
I still think the Range Rover looks a lot more bling than a Cayenne!
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The reason I said zero knowledge which you just quite clearly demonstrated is that Porsche list it as an option & in the UK where most insurance Co's demand higher security than the rest of Europe then they specify either a Porsche tracker or an after market one depending on insurer.
In other words the standard Cayenne security is not up-to-scratch according to British insurers.
As for cost I was talking generic Porsche not specifically Cayenne as your comment was "Porsche" not specifically the Cayenne.
Eh? I never said anything about "Porsche". I referred to "Liverpool Goalie's Cayenne" and "and the player's Porsche Cayenne". No reference to generic Porsche whatsoever.
I still think the Range Rover looks a lot more bling than a Cayenne!
I just don't like the styling. OTOH a Hummer which is also a ridiculous car puts a smile on my face.
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In other words the standard Cayenne security is not up-to-scratch according to British insurers.
You are so wrong flunky
A tracker is a device to recover a vehicle, not prevent its theft. It is required by a large number of insurance companies to attempt to mitigate their loss. The owner pays for it so why not. It is required on cars that are desireable for organised theft, not those with poor security.
Usually professional car theives now target the weakest point of the security chain. The home.
Break into the home and you can usuallly get the keys. It can be the most protected vehicle in the world but with the keys.......
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
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In other words the standard Cayenne security is not up-to-scratch according to British insurers. Usually professional car theives now target the weakest point of the security chain. The home. Break into the home and you can usuallly get the keys. It can be the most protected vehicle in the world but with the keys....... ------------------------------ TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
What a strange concept! We have two cars in our household and the car keys are not kept in the house at all and so no burglar, breaking into our house, would find any keys.
Both my car keys, for my own Golf, are kept on my person and my partner's similarly (on her person). Frankly, people are asking to have their vehicles stolen should they deign to leave their keys on display, say, in their hallways or somewhere else, equally obvious, or known to regular tea leaves.
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What a strange concept! We have two cars in our household and the car keys are not kept in the house at all and so no burglar breaking into our house would find any keys. Both my car keys for my own Golf are kept on my person and my partner's similarly (on her person). Frankly people are asking to have their vehicles stolen should they deign to leave their keys on display say in their hallways or somewhere else equally obvious or known to regular tea leaves.
Don't you find they stick into you whilst in bed?
Also what you going to do when some scrote is holding a knife at you asking for your keys?
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I am hoping you don't sleep naked.
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Don't you find they stick into you whilst in bed? Also what you going to do when some scrote is holding a knife at you asking for your keys?
They don't stick into me in bed as they're on an adjacent table but at least they are not downstairs and within a few feet of the front door, conveniently on a key rack such that the 'scrote' can hook them off with a piece of wire, whilst we sleep.
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the car keys are not kept in the house at all
>> Both my car keys for my own Golf are kept on my person and my partner's similarly (on her person).
???
If the keys aren't kept in the house, do I take it that you and your partner never enter the house then?
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If the keys aren't kept in the house do I take it that you and your partner never enter the house then?
Sorry but I'm lost. I am trying to say that my car keys, when I'm in and around my house, are kept on my person. Similarly, if I have gone out and not used the car, my keys to my car are not left in the house, where, if burgled, the thief could easily find the keys and help him/herself to said vehicles. It's not rocket science, is it, to understand what I was trying to say.
Similarly, I don't leave my wallet lying around, or in my trouser's back pocket thus advertising its presence. It is all rather commons sense, I would have thought?
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In other words the standard Cayenne security is not up-to-scratch according to British insurers.
This applies I believe to most manufacturers not just Porsche & certainly not just the Cayenne. We were discussing this at a Porsche meeting a little while ago & in the office after one of the guys bought a Ferrari, & Insurers seem to regard £30000 as the step where they change all of their requirements for security, must be garaged, trackered etc.
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I still think the Range Rover looks a lot more bling than a Cayenne!
It looks like a cross between a shed and an old school Ford Transit :-S
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