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....And the second best is the Mondeo Ghia X, and the third best is a Xantia Diesel Turbo
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Nah, millions of cars better than both of those.
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the xantia ok but the hydraulic suspension was crap mondeo ok. as for bmw what a load of rubbish that 1 series is a joke.
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The 5 Series is pretty damned nice though.
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you have to understand jap cars always come top in the jd power survey. so they are beeter built and more reliable than bmw or mercedes i rest my case.
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They may be better built but with the exception of Lexus, I'd rather have most BM's over their Japanese counterparts which in the main, are dreadfully boring.
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Given the choice though between a basic 318d 4dr or for less money a top of the Range Avensis 2.2 D4D T-Spirit or Accord 2.2 CTDi Executive i know which one i'd rather have.
Here's a clue - it doesn't come from Bavaria.
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Come now Blue. That's hardly fair is it? ;-)
Given the choice of a basic 318d and 1.8d Corolla (or whatever the closest equivalent is) what would you choose?
BMW's will always be pricier.
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Come now Blue. That's hardly fair is it? ;-) Given the choice of a basic 318d and 1.8d Corolla (or whatever the closest equivalent is) what would you choose? BMW's will always be pricier.
The Accord and Avensis are the nearest equivalent to the Beemer size wise but on the beemer you get pink fluffy dice all whereas the Jap cars will be fully loaded.
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Here's a clue - it doesn't come from Bavaria.
Nah but it starts with H and not T!
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Yes Jap cars are good...until they get older then the better european makes are a more sensible choice.
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I was going to say that - best looking, best handling, superb range of engines especially the 530d. A car that arrived in my life unannounced (lease company should have sent another 330d which I still suspect ended up at the bottom of the channel) and it left just as quietly when the contract was terminated, in the short time I had it it became a close friend - dearly missed.
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I love the 5 series both old and new and would have either in a shot.
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"i rest my case."
Well, that's me convinced ;) . Ok, taking the question halfway seriously for a moment, it depends what constitutes the "best" car - one that's beautiful? Fast and furious? Invisible to thieves? Reliable? Cheap to run? Spacious?
Example: I only want a diesel-engined car, a mid-sized one that's fun to drive, reliable, quick, comfortable, easy on the eye and easy on fuel.
Japanese options - Avensis no fun, "Lexii" too costly and dull to look at, Accord overpriced & slightly awkward styling.
European cars? Alfa 159 is extremely beautiful, and drives pretty well. But ergonomics/comfort may be an issue, plus potential reliability problems.
Audi A4/A6/Passat then - but those engines hanging over the nose mess up the handling. Again, reliability is an issue (see also "France" and "Stuttgart").
BMW too pricey, low on standard kit and (yep) unreliable. Rover 75 or MG ZT no longer a canny purchase.
Mondeo handles & is more reliable, but if I ever saw its reflection as I passed a shop window I'd fall asleep at the wheel straight away, proving that it is possible to die from boredom. Not cool.
To be honest, I can think of a good reason to reject nearly every car on the market, so my default choice at the moment seems to be the Mazda6 diesel with 143 PS. Point is, if I was a petrolhead, was richer/poorer, had different taste etc, the shortlist would look very different ... horses for courses.
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Is now a bad time to admit I feel really chuffed when I see my Mondeos reflection in a shop window? I think they look great with the Ford bodykits. Regular ones look bland, tho...
I'm not sure I get this low standard kit thing with BMW's. At least with the 5 Series SE specification has everything you could ever need bar leather - dual zone climate, PDC, DSC, electric front/rear windows, auto dim/dip rear view mirror, rain sensing wipers, auto lights, cruise, multifunction wheel, headlight washers, etc etc etc. If it isn't included with SE spec, you probably don't need it anyway.
Except leather.
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I know it's boring but I'd probably choose the 530d as well.
Okay, it's not the best car for every job and if there was only one standard car for everyone, it'd probably be a Zafira or something, but a 530d is quick, economical, well made, handles well, prestigious, looks good, does well in crash tests and is relatively affordable.
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Suppose you all mean modern stuff. But what about Bugatti type 35, or for the road 57SC... or one of those early-50s Ferrari Barchettas, 1.5 litre V12 with little cylinders like coffee cups, 160BHP with cart-sprung back axle and drum brakes, minimal handbeaten aluminium body, crossply racing tyres, lethal but sublime... cost a bit today one of those.
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Peugeot 205 diesel.
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I vote the Ford Model T.
It was what started mass motor ownership. Low price, the longest manufacture run ever (apart from VW Beetle)and unchanged over 19 years.
An icon surely!
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1980 Aston Martin V8 Vantage.
Even the Top Gear crew agreed that it was the best car in the world when they drove one last year.
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"my all time favourite cars that are top notch in my opinion"
1984 Audi quattro Group B rally car
1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
1990 Nissan Skyline GT-R32
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Peugeot 205 diesel.
I'll second that nomination
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Best car in the world?
BMW M5 E39. Does everything. A lot of car for the money.
Stuff the fuel consumption. If it was about fuel consumption we'd all have bikes.
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Suppose you all mean modern stuff. But what about Bugatti type 35, or for the road 57SC... or one of those early-50s Ferrari Barchettas, 1.5 litre V12 with little cylinders like coffee cups, 160BHP with cart-sprung back axle and drum brakes, minimal handbeaten aluminium body, crossply racing tyres, lethal but sublime... cost a bit today one of those.
I have been fretting about the word 'lethal'. Only lethal in the event of a big impact or roll, of course. Handling once you got the hang of it would be most enjoyable, not to mention the urge and the sounds... And think of tuning all those little downdraught Weber chokes before going out for a blast... Still, I see that apart from one mention of the Model T Ford and a regerence to big brute A-M Vantage, boringly capable modern devices are what seem to get most people's juices flowing. May I recommend a day out at VSCC Shelsley Walsh, if anyone is interested in what used to be? Some very hairy specials there too.
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its a matter of personal of what car is te best in the world i would say lexus for there superb engineering and they never braek down. i would say better engines than mercedes or bmw they seem to take care and time with there engineering. they might be bland but always bring a smile and go for ever. i take my hat off to lexus.
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its a matter of personal of what car is te best in the world i would say lexus for there superb engineering and they never braek down. i would say better engines than mercedes or bmw they seem to take care and time with there engineering. they might be bland but always bring a smile and go for ever. i take my hat off to lexus.
Go find some Series 1 LS400 owners and talk to them. Then you will learn that Lexus designed the suspension badly, and all early cars needed new bushes. However, the whole control arm has to be replaced as the bush isn't available separately. At 800 quid for both front control arms, an expensive fix. I hardly call that superior engineering.
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Don't be so ridiculous. A Peugeot 205 Diesel? Mondeo Ghia X? What?
Everyone knows the best car in the world is the Bugatti Veyron.
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that may be so but better than bmw they have ther fair share of problems so dont be picking on the great lexus. they are still the best and will always be top in reliability and enginerring why dont you go on talk to a few bmw owners i rest my case.
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I think the Peugeot 205 was Car of the Decade. With the XUD engine, it still impresses in terms of refinement and handling/ride. They are also remarkably rust free. Considering it is over 20 years old, how many other cars can achieve that?
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Best is subjective, Bugatti Veyron is certainly a most capable car but ask it to offroad and a Land Rover suddenly becomes the best car in the world.
I think back to a Sierra XR4 which was a rather agricultural 2.8 V6 but outhandled a lot of cars if you had the balls, certainly surprised a few 325 drivers!
Best car for me was the Audi 1.9 5 cylinder coupe, amazing engine which punched a lot higher than it's weight, economical when driven halfway sensibly, superbly reliable and seemed to be carved out of solid as regards build quality.
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I reckon you could actually get pretty far off-road in a Veyron. Particularly if your exit speed off the road was 400 kph.
Getting back on the road could be the tricky bit.
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LOL! However, I did say ask which does imply a choice!
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Aye - all that electrickery would be pretty useless..........
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>>that are top notch in my opinion.>>
Is that opinion based on personal experience or reading matter?
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I think the Peugeot 205 was Car of the Decade. With the XUD engine, it still impresses in terms of refinement and handling/ride. They are also remarkably rust free. Considering it is over 20 years old, how many other cars can achieve that?
The 205D was also very reliable, and easy to maintain: several female friends did all their own maintenance on them. Plenty of those cars did enormous mileages, far in excess of what other similar cars managed before or after.
One thing that was noteable about Peugeots of that generation was that they didn't eat tyres, which to my (non-technical) mind suggests a very well-balanced chassis.
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