I must be the only one who doesn't like the Maya Gold colour. Silver doesn't do the car any favours either, which I find strange as almost every other car looks good in silver. It would be interesting to hear what other D5 S60 owners are getting for fuel consumption.
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I've got a D5 auto and regularly get around 43 - 45mpg. That is mixed driving and not particularly restrained.
I think the D5 engine is the one to go for. Great performance, economy, revs well, and doesn't sound like a diesel (sounds great). On paper not as fast as the T5, but very driveable and is very fast between 30 - 80 mph which is what you want for overtaking. The standard auto is good, avoid the geartronics, they are hateful.
Beige interior is lovely, but as stated reflects on the windscreen on sunny day. This is easily fixed by wearing polarised sunglasses which I would wear anyway. Beige interior is far more cheary than dull blacks and grey.
Avoid 17" wheels, look great, but worsen the ride, don't really improve the handling and make the turning circle worse still.
HiFi is fantastic in the Volvo, and they are very well specified in comparison to the BMW and Audi. For instance you'll lots of little items that are extra in the BMW and Audi. Footwell and reading lights, graduated windscreen, excellent hifi, lumbar support, excellent supportive and comfortable seats, split fold rear seats, dual climate, folding front passenger seat etc. I've got an S spec and it still very well specified.
BMW is more fun to drive, but the Volvo is a more comfortable and spacious cruiser. Ignore the old mans image thing (it's wearing thing like a Skoda joke) and remember the 3 series is becoming the new Mondeo man (not that there is anything wrong with Mondeo's). I live in the Thames Valley and it feels like every other car is 3 series; so boring.
Hope this helps.
WipeOut
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I must be the only one who doesn't like the Maya Gold colour. Silver doesn't do the car any favours either, which I find strange as almost every other car looks good in silver. It would be interesting to hear what other D5 S60 owners are getting for fuel consumption.
Well, we're all different which I think is a good thing!
My personal order of colour preference for the S60 is
1) Maya Gold
2) High gloss black (but the spec must include front fogs, and rear chrome exhaust tip to finish the effect off)
3) Silver
I also like silver on the V70, but chose ruby red because every man and his dog orders silver just as they do on the ubiquitous Three Series BMWs that clutter up the streets around me. How unoriginal on two counts!
The V70 and S60 both have a wonderful concave complex curve running down the flank of the car and the colours above really show it off to best effect.
When it comes to your fuel consumption question, I would expect an easy low to mid forties. As wrote above, my bro gets this from his V70 (slightly porkier than an S60 and fractionally less aerodynamic) despite an auto box (avoid the troublesome Geartronic) and a heavy right foot.
One thing we haven't mentioned so far is the standard fit, terrific, Dolby Surround hifi. With such a hushed cabin to help, it is the best standard fit setup I have tried and when adding the Premium Sound upgrdade as I did it becomes a veritable concert hall experience.
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HiFi is fantastic in the Volvo
One thing we haven't mentioned so far is the standard fit, terrific, Dolby Surround hifi.
Cross posting, but we are in agreement! (though I don't agree about the beige/taupe interiors; I don't just dislike the colour but also that Volvo let their penny pinching side down by continuing to fit some of the grey trim items (such as seat belts) which really clash. Rover did the same thing with my father's 820 and the jarring effect was the same)
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Saphire black is a great colour as it goes well with the rubber black inerts etc.
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Apart from Maya Gold, isn't there a darker coppery/gold colour? I spoke to my trader mate and he's adamant that the V70 and C70 were available in JRG.
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I've had my S60 for over and year and absolutely love it.
It's a T5 in silver with sat nav, TV, leather, etc, etc.
The hi-fi is superb, it's the comfiest thing I've ever been in and it's pretty quick for a big car - not quite in the same league as my Integrale but still it'll make a BM 328 look a bit silly.
As others have said, the turning circle is epic - I don't have the dashboard reflecting problem...
There's a T5 here :
snipurl.com/hebw {Link to usedcartrader website shortened. DD}
You really won't get a better car for that money!
Jix
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Apart from Maya Gold, isn't there a darker coppery/gold colour? I spoke to my trader mate and he's adamant that the V70 and C70 were available in JRG.
The old V70 that was effectively a spruced up 850 did indeed have a gold option specifically for the V70R model, but the current generation V70 that being described in this thread (i.e. P2 platform shared with the S60 and S80) has never had a gold option. I know, because along with the S60s spaceball gear lever, I wanted it but couldn't have it!
A friend of mine a few hundred yards up the road has a previous generation V70R on an 'R' plate in the gold colour, and it is certainly very close to, if not, Maya Gold. Looks the dogs danglies.
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Re: D5 consumption.
My 2002-model has been Superchipped and the computer average has ranged from 46 to 52mpg. Very happy with the car.
Thinking of looking into 'Police Spec' poly bushes for the front suspension as word has it that this transforms the handling.
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Thinking of looking into 'Police Spec' poly bushes for the front suspension as word has it that this transforms the handling.
Here you go: www.powerflex.co.uk/select_products.asp
As only part of their Volvo range is listed on line, you might like to also be aware of sales@powerflex.co.uk
I can't comment on their poly suspension bushes beyond knowing they are a popular 'performance upgrade' in the Volvo community, but I have experienced their poly upper torque mount for the engine (the mount that attaches to what looks like a strut brace); it works very well but slightly more vibration reaches the cabin especially at idle, and in the case of autos, when idling in gear. I chose to stick with a standard item when mine tore (as the original standard one - now redesigned by Volvo because of this - always does).
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Many thanks for all of the continued replies.
I'm really really warming to the idea. Even if it isn't a T5 as Nickdm says, the 2.0 T should be pokey enough.
Nothing will happen for at least 18 months yet anyway so I feel bad at not being able to update you for a good while.
Money depending though, it will be on the next car list I think.
Many thanks again,
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Well I am hoping to change my car much sooner than 18 months (more like 2-3) and the S60 will definately be on the short list if I can realistically expect to achieve 40-45 mpg from the D5, so additional comments are more than welcome, if adski doesn't mind an interloper. My other short listers are a Golf GT TDI or A4 TDI.
Just need to sort out my insurance predicament. My current car is a group 15 yet when trying for quotes on other newer group 15s (and lower) I am looking at paying 3 times more than I pay now...simply because of the mandatory fully comp nonsense.
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I have an 02 plate 2.0T SE which I bought in May 05 with 87k and FVSH for £6900.
Stonking car, plenty fast enough, does 29-33 mpg with my driving style and is as smooth and comfy as I have experienced.
On the downside the turning circle, as mentioned, is truly abysmal!
PP
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Will some nice moderator please edit the link in Jix's post?. I am going cross-eyed panning the page repeatedly.
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Will some nice moderator please edit ....
Done. It wasn't having any noticable effect on my screen, otherwise I would have edited it earlier. DD.
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so additional comments are more than welcome, if adski doesn't mind an interloper<<
Not in the slightest.
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SJB we still seem to be on diferent planets. I have a 2004 V70 D5 and I can't stand the thing (see my other posts for the history).
It is full of bugs, I am back every week getting one thing fixed or another, plus it still doesn't ever get over 30mpg. Easily the most disappointing car I have ever owned (but I do like the colour - Cedar Green - so that's one compensation I guess).
I'd also really love to know where this hushed cabin and wonderful sound system come in. The HU-650 (?) system in my V70 simply can't compete with the engine noise and the creaks and rattles from inside.
I'd unload it now if I could stomach the £5k minimum hit that I would take.
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Right - I managed to have a play in one this morning.
I like. The interior's completely different when you're sitting in it. It feel much more like a cockpit than mine which I like because it's quite different.
I've no idea what the stereo model was but it was the standard unit in a 2.0 SE and it was amazing. I thought mine was pretty good as does my mate who's got a Clio 172 which has a pretty good stereo too. This sounded 10 times better. Richer, nice bass tones and can go far louder than my ears would allow me to listen too.
Definitely a contender. A very nice car indeed.
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I've had my S60 2.0T SE auto for a few months now and love it. Had Audis for the last 8 or 9 years and needed a second car and didn't want to spend the money A4s were going for at Audi dealers.
I think mine was a rental car then sold on by a Volvo franchise but there is not a blemish anywhere. The value was great considering all the options Audi make you pay for are included (eg. rain sensor wipers, autodip mirror). Mine was 9 months old, 10k miles and included a sunroof, winter pack and after some protracted haggling I drove it away for £13.5k. Granted in 3 years time an equivilent A4 will probably be worth a bit more but its an awful lot of car for 13.5k
I think the best bit are the seats, thumping hifi and the warbling 5 cylinder engine - noise reminds me of an old Audi 90 I had.
Bad points - slight power steering issue (see my post on the tech forum!), turning circle already mentioned, interior plastics and switchgear not up to Audi standards. The boot opening is a bit narrow too but I'm struggling now......
Fuel economy has been as expected - around 32 or 33 on the motorway and mid 20's in inner London.
AK
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- I keep reading somewhere that the injectors on D5s that have covered 60-80k miles have a habit of failing, costing hundreds & hundreds of pounds to replace?
I get around 33mpg from the 2.0T petrol, not bad considering I was only getting 36mpg from the V40 1.6 it replaced
Slightly separate tack: the V50 gets a bit of a panning today in the Telegraph, for it's sky-high prices. I tend to agree!
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BC: I remember the car was a bother and apparently well below par. Didn't the solicitor get some action on the defects?
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The car is still a total pain but Volvo are at least taking some note of the problems now. It has been with them for 8 days since June and we still have some basic issues like poor starting, noisy and rough running and very poor consumption - but to be honest the other D5s that I have driven have been no more refined.
Right now I am waiting on fixes for the alarm / immobiliser, the air con (see post in technical matters - Volvo just say some do this), sticking tailgate lock and a non-functional rear washer. The last one takes the biscuit really, the front bumper and offside headlight have to be removed to replace the washer motor. Bear this in mind if you will be paying the bills someday. I have also been waiting for a replacement rear seat cover since June. I have given up on the "Info Centre", it is just a random number and message display.
All in all I am totally disappointed and disillusioned. It seems that long-standing Volvo owners like them as they are much better than earlier models... I came back to Volvo after 7 years and I was obviously wrong to do so. getting rid of it is not an option, outside of the Volvo network a sub-one year old V70 is worth peanuts.
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There must be something seriously wrong for yours to run so badly - sounds like something major. Petrol used mistakenly by previous owners, or injectors up the Swannee? Although I've only driven a D5 for a few miles it was smooth and responsive. The sales guy was keen to show off its 'refinement", compared with expectations from a petrol Honda owner. Rev'd it in neutral: gave it some welly whilst I was passengering, so I could hear without distraction.
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SJB we still seem to be on diferent planets. I have a 2004 V70 D5 and I can't stand the thing (see my other posts for the history).
It's fairly obvious Buster C from your posts here and on Volvospy under a different alias that you don't get on with your car and probably have a duffer. However, I write as I find find; mine is terrific, as is my brother's 2002 V70 D5 auto and every other P2 platform Volvo (S60/V70/S80) I have travelled in or driven.
it still doesn't ever get over 30mpg.
Well, bro easily gets in to the forties with his aforementioned V70 D5 auto. Fact, and I've never come across another D5 driver that gets less than high thirties.
I'd also really love to know where this hushed cabin and wonderful sound system come in. The HU-650 (?) system in my V70 simply can't compete with the engine noise and the creaks and rattles from inside.
Yes, the cabin is great. A really hushed place in which to travel at any speed. I was reminded of this last night as the missus drove me back from a wedding reception in the wee small hours; With music switched off, whooshing along at a good ninety was like watching a video of it with the sound turned almost off. No squeaks and the only rattle (now solved with a simple fix of my own) was when the load cover is extended because of a design flaw that all P2 V70s suffer from. The standard fit HU-803 in my brother's V70 is superb; effortless power and a wonderful open sound. Just terrific. The HU-803 head unit in my V70, replete with Premium Sound upgrade including Dynaudio speakers is absolutely awesome. A real concert hall or kick ass rock machine with deep, deep, tigtly controlled bass as takes your fancy.
We're delighted we purchased the V70 and intend keeping it for a good many years yet. I hope you get yours sorted because if you write as accurately as I have no reason to doubt, all is not right.
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