My SAAB coughed briefly the other morning and hasn't made any noise since! It has been in the garage for 2 days now and there doesn't seem to be any current getting to the glow plugs (warning light on the dash isn't coming on either). Unfortunately, they cannot seem to trace the fault (fuses, relays etc. seem fine)
Any ideas/similar experiences, greatfully received.
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Hi Mike, at temperatures above about +5C the glow plug light doesn't come on anyway. I had starting troubles with a 2.2 Tid and they were traced to a faulty batch of injector seals but this was on a car which was then about 9 months old ie about 3 years ago. A search within the archive may get you back to the posts on the subject. The point I am making is that the engine will start, in most UK temperatures, without pre-heating by the glow plugs although I appreciate that I has been cold in the last few days
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The outside temp. was about -2 and had been for the last few mornings so I guess the glowplugs were needed. If I'm honest, I didn't look (or wait) for the glow plug warning light as I'm just used to the thing firing up first time every time. My car is just over 3 years old, 62,000 miles; would any injector seal problems have shown by now?
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I can only assume your`s is no different from car`s I have worked on.I may be corrected here but.The glow plugs are powered from battery through the relay. glow plug light on dash
is only telling you the glow plugs are in operation.If they don`t work will most likely be a problem with battery connection
Ignition switch or connection to glow plugs.Have they proved no power to relay?or glow plugs
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Good question, I'll query the garage on this t'morow, afer all, we're talking about about a SAAB garage that took 7 months to find a fracture in the vaccuum hose to the turbo!
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Mike as Armitage says the glow plugs also don't operate on my Vectra TDi which I believe is the same engine fitted to the Saab unless the outside temperature is below 3c. The lamp on mine has come on first thing in the morning for the last two days to show they are operating and thats the first time for many months.
However you seem to be saying that it hasn't made any noise since... do you mean your battery is flat.
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Mike, before they change the injector seals which on the Vectra is a £300.00 job ask them to replace the rubber spill pipes off the injectors which is a very common problem with these engines.
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Mike, the injector seal problem I experienced was at about 12,000 miles, over 2 years ago and, so far as I know, was a faulty batch rather than a fault common to all 2.2 tid engines. Another SAAB backroomer came up with the info that he had had the same problem at about the same mileage and on a car built within 6 weeks of mine, hence the feeling that it is 'batch' problem rather than an overall one. Please let us know how this works out for you.
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No, the battery is fine. The garage can actually start the car if they crank it long enough. There is simply no life in the glowplug circuit and no evidence of where the fault may lie. Apparently they're getting an independent auto electrician to look at it on Monday morning as it has them baffled; to keep themselves busy however, they've serviced it and replaced the front discs and I didn't even have to ask!!???
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They didn't ask you if it were OK to service it and replace the discs/pads?
Hmmmmm I think I would go elsewhere!
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MikeF, how are you getting on, several days after your last post? SAAB running OK now I hope?
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Sorry for the delayed update!
Car is running fine; the problem was finally verified as 'something and nothing but we just couldn't find it'. Obviously I am too thick to understand anything more detailed than this despite asking what 'something and nothing really was'. Anyway, car is fine, whole job (including unrequested service etc. was settled with arguement for £140 and I'm off to find a new dealer!!
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MikeF
I've got the same engine as yourself (in a Saab 9.3 registered date Feb 01) and I read your post and replies with interest.
I too thought that I had 'glow plug' problems in that the
dash warning light (coil image) had never come on since I bought my car last May, despite some early (below 5 degree) morning starts. Instantaneous starting though had never been a problem.
Today however, and first frost of the winter hereabouts (North Wales)with an outside temp of -3C, dash warning duly illuminated providing reassurance and a lusty start.
Regards,
AI
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"'something and nothing but we just couldn't find it'"
Sounds rather fishy to me!
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MikeF. Good luck with your search for a different dealer! I am getting dire service from my local dealer and they now only service the cars but don't sell them. I went in with a faulty blower motor switch (it had to be held pressed in slightly to work) and after a day in the service bay they said it was a faulty switch and they hadn't got one in stock but would order one! A car with no blower in this weather is no fun at all, cold and misted up!
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