Vauxhall Astra G Petrol - cutting out issue - steve1919

Hi help i have a 51 plate astra 1.4 petrol the car runs fine on short journeys

soon as car starts getting warm it will cut out random without warning

no engine lights are showing on so no faults known

People have said its the idle control valve and throttle body needs cleaning

worse case is ecu unit that needs replacing.

I dont want to try changing things if that is not cause

can anyone advise what they think could be the problem

Im thinking of getting gargage to replace idle control valve and clean throttle

Do you think that is cause of random cut outs

Vauxhall Astra G Petrol - cutting out issue - Cyd

Clean the throttle body, butterfly and MAP sensor first. Do not swamp with cleaner,, but spray onto a toothbrush and cloths first.

Also check condition of all vacuum pipes and look/listen for leaks (cracks, splits etc).

Report back effectiveness (or not)

Vauxhall Astra G Petrol - cutting out issue - Railroad.

How and when does the engine cut out? Does it cut out when you stop, such as approaching a junction, which would be better described as 'stalling', or does it cut out without warning when you're doing 50mph on a straight road? These symptoms are entirely different.

Vauxhall Astra G Petrol - cutting out issue - steve1919

Hi yes it will cut when im approaching a junction or having to slow down. Ive being told by a mechanic now its maybe the egr valve so many different things it could be. I will do some of the things mentioned clean the throttle body maybe change the idle valve control and replace the egr valve which is some of the obvious things i would suspect

Vauxhall Astra G Petrol - cutting out issue - Railroad.

In that case the engine is stalling, and yes the throttle body and idle speed control could probably do with a good clean. It would also be a good idea to remove the EGR valve and clean that too. Make sure it opens and closes fully and doesn't stick.

Once you've cleaned and refitted the idle speed control valve, which is a stepper motor, switch the ignition on and off a couple of times, leaving a short pause each time. This will enable the motor find the correct position so the the engine idle speed is correct. Then start the engine and allow it to idle. If the idle speed to too high or too low you may have to repeat the procedure. It should idle at around 850-900rpm.

Vauxhall Astra G Petrol - cutting out issue - steve1919

Many thanks i have sourced the parts rather then clean as being told if can get parts better replace then clean. i have found the idle control body and egr valve from breakers for £20 and throttle body £25 of ebay. Soon as they arrive will get them put in with a service also. So fingers crossed that will resolve the cutting out issue.

Vauxhall Astra G Petrol - cutting out issue - hardway

From the symptoms I'd renew the crank angle sensor.

I've done a number of these that had a heat related open circuit in the CAS.

When it cools down the work again.

And what you have to realise is when the CAS signal dissapears there wont be a generated or stored fault code!

As far as the cars computer is concerned the engine just isn't turning over.

It's as if YOU turned the key off!

And it's one of the cheaper options.

Vauxhall Astra G Petrol - cutting out issue - Railroad.

I'd go along with what Hardway says. Crankshaft sensors on these are inductive pulse, and a very common issue with them is the cable breaks down especially where it bends. The sensor can be checked easily with a multimeter for resistance and AC voltage output. But if you're in any doubt it's best to just renew it as they can and do fail. They produce an anologue signal which the ECM cannot read. They only read digital signals and reference voltages based on a 5v supply. So your CAS signal has to be converted from anaolgue to digital. This is done inside the ECM. As Hardway says, the ECM is incapable of telling the difference between the engine stopping due to an unschelduled loss of CAS signal, or for any other reason why it might stop, including you switching it off.

You should understand that fault codes will only be stored when the computer is either not receiving an return voltage that it knows it should be, or when one has gone out of limits for whatever reason. This means that the computer may not necessarily see a fault even if one clearly exists. This is not easy to explain, but is something you need to get your head around. A computer is a dumb machine. It does EXACTLY what it's programmed to do. Nothing more, and nothing less. It cannot think, apply common sense, predict what's around the corner or anything else. It does what it is told. To even begin to start diagnosing faults using specialist equipment you have to train yourself to think the way the ECM sees the system.

Vauxhall Astra G Petrol - cutting out issue - steve1919

Hi thanks yes i will replace this to as with other comments mentioned as seems it could be a few things that could be the cause of it. As the parts are cheap from the scrapyard i may as well just replace the 4 obvious ones and that way even if one was not cause at least it wont cause me problem in near future as do want keep car for 2 years.

Vauxhall Astra G Petrol - cutting out issue - Simon
You could easily be changing bad parts for more bad parts. As for the EGR valve, I would blank that off with a blanking plate rather than swap it.
Vauxhall Astra G Petrol - cutting out issue - Cyd

Hi thanks yes i will replace this to as with other comments mentioned as seems it could be a few things that could be the cause of it. As the parts are cheap from the scrapyard i may as well just replace the 4 obvious ones and that way even if one was not cause at least it wont cause me problem in near future as do want keep car for 2 years.

Clean first (nearly free) then start changing parts if you must (££s). Test the crank sensor first if you can. Better to prove parts are fine or faulty first otherwise you could be changing good parts. Google how to test the crank sensor. The Bosch crank sensor went on my Saab (same as your probably) a new one is around £60.

Also change one part at a time or else you'll never know which part was faulty.

One way to test crank sensor; when it cuts out and you crank to restart, watch the rev needle. If there is no response to the cranking (it should show about 60-100 rpm) then it's very likely the crank sensor. Worked for me.

Vauxhall Astra G Petrol - cutting out issue - Railroad.
Crankshaft sensors are easy to test. They're either the Hall Effect or Inductive Pulse type. Those fitted on Vauxhalls are usually Inductive Pulse. This works by a toothed wheel rotating and moving an electromagnet which generates an AC voltage. Check for resistance across terminals 1&2. You should read a resistance of 150 - 1,500 ohms. If this is correct crank the engine and measure the voltage across the same terminals. You should read upwards of 0.5v AC. The faster the engine runs the higher the voltage will be up to a maximum.

Check the sensor and make sure it hasn't moved away from the toothed wheel, and that the wheel is clean. This could cause a loss of signal when the engine is running slowly which would cause it to cut out.
Vauxhall Astra G Petrol - cutting out issue - steve1919

Hi thanks all for your help i have got the car booked in with a local garage on the 30th for a diagnostic check as a lot have said just changing parts ect is not wise as you could be just wasting more money. The garage is going hook it up and see if they can find the fault on machine. They charge £30 to check but will waive that price if i carry out repair with them so sounds like a good way foward. They should be able to find the fault on dignostic checks fingers crossed it is nothing to expensive

Vauxhall Astra G Petrol - cutting out issue - Cyd

Be aware that:

1. if the crank sensor fault is intermittent then the fault may not show up when th ecar is in the garage. Mine started intermittent - car would cut out randomly but would always restart. After a while it stopped restarting - that's when I got the clue about looking at the rev counter during cranking. Like I say it worked for me

2. even if it is the crank sensor, there is not likley to be a 'code' in th efault memory. many engines simply cannot self diagnose a faulty crank sensor - mine showed no fault code. this is another clue that it's the crank sensor. Yours is likley to be the same being GM as mine is.

basically the crank sensor is the only signal the engine has that the engine is running. When this signal fails, the engine ecu simply can't tell the engine is running (or cranking). Except some Jap engines which have a cam sensor too, that is.

Vauxhall Astra G Petrol - cutting out issue - steve1919

Hi cyd thanks for that well i will certainly inform garage of this if no fault is found But im sure if they are good mechanics they should allready know that it could be the crank sensor. If no fault is found on digonostic test. I will instruct them to change this part if no fault found anyway is this part expensive ro replace. Many thanks

Vauxhall Astra G Petrol - cutting out issue - steve1919

Update I've just borrowed my mates obd scanner no faults are be found on diagnostic as stated my engine management light is not on in car anyway. So do I still let garage hook it up still or shall I go with crank sensor causing the cut out as don't want keep changing parts and it's not the fault. Any mechanic can advise what next best solution is

Vauxhall Astra G Petrol - cutting out issue - elekie&a/c doctor

Hi yes" it will cut when im approaching a junction or having to slow down".If the engine only cuts during these conditions,then I can't see it being the crank sensor.Some diagnostic equipt will allow the idle speed to be increased .Perhaps this may help?