Skoda Octavia vRS - Skidding with new rear tyres - fsa

My VRS already had budget Nexen shoes, puncture on ROS and bulging on RNS meant a new pair. I went for budget Lanvigators at £55 a corner as I couldn't really afford anything else at the moment.

Now the car oversteered at 30mph on one roundabout and at 25mph on another. Now im cr*pping myself. I understand new tyres need bedding in, but this seems excessive.

It has been less than 24hrs since I got them fitted. Do I have any scope to getting these returned?

Skoda Octavia vRS - Skidding with new rear tyres - bathtub tom

That's a Chinese ditchfinder, what do you expect for that price?

Edited by bathtub tom on 26/01/2015 at 23:21

Skoda Octavia vRS - Skidding with new rear tyres - fsa

I didn't expect it to be that bad. Given that the Nexens were budgets, I thought any other budget would offer similar performance.

Skoda Octavia vRS - Skidding with new rear tyres - gordonbennet

So much for the mantra that new tyres must be fitted to the rear.

I had to search for the make doesn't exist exist on the usual review sites, they apparently have a C wet grip rating (don't know who rated them), which is as good as many quite expensive makes, make of that what you will.

Have you checked the pressures, tyre fitters often stick too much wind in, anyone know why? try running them at the lowest allowable pressure for your car.

Car tyres can take up to 500 miles before becoming fully bedded in, and on the rear of a FWD they will take a fair time, whether they improve after is anyone's guess.

No harm in asking the tyre depot if you can upgrade, but expect a resounding no unless you're upgrading enough to cover the cost of these things.

Did the slides happen early evening?, if so don't be too alarmed, previously salted roads attract the moisture which forms a surprisingly slippery surface late afternoon/evening times, i'd give them a couple of weeks of careful driving and see how they go once pressures are adjusted.

Skoda Octavia vRS - Skidding with new rear tyres - fsa

Thanks for your detailed reply.

I'm going to take that C wet grip rating with a pinch of salt, I think. The pressures were at 32psi. Should I put both of the new ones at the front then?

The slides happened around 8pm and then at 10.30pm; granted the outside temperature was about 4 degrees.

I'll pop to the fitters and see what they have to say.

Skoda Octavia vRS - Skidding with new rear tyres - gordonbennet

Should I put both of the new ones at the front then?

A gritty question, and depends on what you're happiest coping with. Over or understeer, i can't answer that one.

Before you start swapping tyres, if you find a slippery surface and the back end steps out of line, try accelerating on the same surface (if safe to do so) and see if wheelspin is easy to provoke too, that should give you an idea of comparisons between the two makes...and to be fair they've only just been fitted so at their very worse state if coated in releasing agent from the mould.

I have bought tyres before that i thought i'd dropped a clanger with too, yet couple of hundred miles later they were up to the mark, the Uniroyals fitted to my MB fekt decidedly uncomfortable when first fitted, but couple of weeks later stick like the proverbial.

Edited by gordonbennet on 27/01/2015 at 00:00

Skoda Octavia vRS - Skidding with new rear tyres - fsa

Thanks so much, I will give that a try and see if wheelspin is easy to provoke.

Is there any way of washing off the releasing agent?

Skoda Octavia vRS - Skidding with new rear tyres - gordonbennet

Is there any way of washing off the releasing agent?

Not as far as i know, whether a good rub round the tread with sandpaper (on a electric disc) would do any good i do not know, not joking there either, you've probably got nothing to lose.

Which begs another question, when these euro tyre tests are carried out its often with brand new tyres, i expect they are pre bedded in or buffed down before being tested but have't read anything about this...might be worth a bit of searching, maybe there is a method but i think it will be a professional tyre buffing machine thats used.

Can't do any harm reading up, best of luck.

Edited by gordonbennet on 27/01/2015 at 00:08

Skoda Octavia vRS - Skidding with new rear tyres - fsa

Thanks a lot for your time, I will look into it.

Skoda Octavia vRS - Skidding with new rear tyres - catsdad

Has anyone on here acually power sandpapered a tyre? Sounds a lot of faff and there will be a risk that once the tyre does attain grip you'd get a hefty jolt through your wrists. The tyre could become a very effective rubber brake block on the sander, especially if a rotary type. Thing is all tyres take time to bed in and while I've never encountered a significant problem we shouldn't be surprised that some tyres do lack grip to start with. Every tyre I've ever have fitted has paperwork saying this. Sounds like the OP has an extreme case but even so I'd leave it for a few miles and not confuse matters by introducing new variables that may in themselves cause issues - such as inconsistent grip if sanding is not uniform.

Skoda Octavia vRS - Skidding with new rear tyres - dieseldogg

VRs and Ditch-finder tyres

= "does not compute"

From someone who alway drove a modest car on the good tyres

Skoda Octavia vRS - Skidding with new rear tyres - RobJP

VRs and Ditch-finder tyres

= "does not compute"

From someone who alway drove a modest car on the good tyres

Yeah, that was my first thought too.

Buy a performance version of a car, put the best rubber possible on it.

If you can't afford to do that, then buy the cheaper, bog-standard version of the car.

If someone can't afford to run decent tyres on a performance car, then they're probably skimping on other forms of maintenance too.

Skoda Octavia vRS - Skidding with new rear tyres - madf

I suspect winter conditions: rain and greasy roads- exacerbated the problem.

If I were the OP I would drive - carefully - along a few rutted rough uneven surfaced country roads to wear teh surfaces a bit. Less hassle than sanding..

Edited by madf on 27/01/2015 at 09:24

Skoda Octavia vRS - Skidding with new rear tyres - gordonbennet

Yes sanding the tread might seem strange, though the results hardly any less predictable than the threepenny bit scrubbing effects that partial lock ups or over/understeers would give as these things do their worse.

I had a not dissimilar episode last year, year before i experimented to test my own freely admitted distrust of many mainly far eastern makes.

I bought a set of far eastern (respected make) tyres for my MB that were about as quiet and comfy as i could find, low and behold they were indeed silent and for the first 6 months of use (i run winters in season) were fine(ish) and i seemed to have been wrong all these years.

Then the weather changed around Septemeber time and one damp morning i encountered, just like our OP, two unprovoked full on tail out oversteers on the way to work in the early hours...not the sort of roads where lorry fuel spillage would be a factor, and i look for and can spot the tell tale colouration on a damp road where Diesel has been spilled.

That night i ordered a set of Uniroyals and the test set were removed and sold on, my prejudices confirmed, within a couple of hundred miles the Unis proved themselves unshakeable.

Tyres and brakes are to me the most important parts of a vehicle, and both must be as good as i can make them, call it an OCD if you like.

I too think the OP should leave them as is for a few hundred miles and see if they improve, i dislike plough on understeer intently a nasty effect that is difficult to do anything about when it happens, thats part of the reason i dislike and avoid FWD, so i wouldn't want them on the front, but the OP know his own car and obviously knows how to control it or he'd have wrapped it up already with these tyres, so his alone choice...lets be honest some people haven't got a clue whats happening down at the road and wouldn't be posting here asking.

Edited by gordonbennet on 27/01/2015 at 09:31

Skoda Octavia vRS - Skidding with new rear tyres - Razzy

Going to an independent who specialises in tyres is always much much cheaper, so you may be able to get a better tyre for the same price

As an example. My car has 205/45/17 tyres.

I have goodyear efficientgrip performance as i like the tyre.

Kwik-fit/national wanted around £120 a corner

2 local independents were around the same price at £70 a corner.

Skoda Octavia vRS - Skidding with new rear tyres - skidpan

All new tyres take a while to scrub in, 300 miles or so normally. When they are new there is a quantity of release agent on the surface and this makes any new tyre less grippy than a scrubbed one.

Your first problem is you have well scrubbed tyres on the front and unscrubbed ones on the rear.

Your second problem is on the rear the new tyres will take much longer to scrub in.

Be patient, they might not be the best tyres in the world but with some miles they will improve.

Skoda Octavia vRS - Skidding with new rear tyres - Glaikit Wee Scunner {P}

I agree with the above replies and those you got on B***koda.

You get what you pay for. The tyre grip will get better when they have scrubbed in- even expensive tyres can be dodgy on damp dieselly roundabouts.

Skoda Octavia vRS - Skidding with new rear tyres - bazza

It's most probably the recent conditions. Salt and damp make for a very greasy surface, as any bike rider will tell you. With new tyres, it's a potentially very dangerous mix. The recent trend for over-caution and over-salting doesn't help and can actually make things worse, turning an otherwise bone dry road into a damp slippery mess. I often find when out on the bike that more grip is available in heavy rain than in conditions of damp salt, hardly suprising when you think about it. But I am a little suprised at a VRS oversteering unprovoked. Reminds me of the old Scandinavian flick and left foot braking of yesteryear rally cars!

Skoda Octavia vRS - Skidding with new rear tyres - Cyd

Frankly, you got exactly what you paid for.

A 200hp FWD sport saloon with cheap chinese tyres. What did you expect?

I've just put a set of Goodyear Eagle F1 Assymetric 2s on my 260hp Saab 9-3. I drive the Fosse Way to work every day. It grips the road like the proverbial to a blanket, even on the currently damp conditions. £380 fully fitted for the set (although it also needed 4 wheel alignment which added another £80). STONKING value for 4x 235/45/17s that do exactly what they are supposed to.

Please keep away from me on the roads. I don't want to be caught up in your accident.

Skoda Octavia vRS - Skidding with new rear tyres - fsa

I am very happy to report that the tyre fitter agreed to refund the cost of the budgets. It meant I had to go for the only mids they had: some Coopers for 105 a corner. It has some lifetime warranty thing with it.

But I have learnt my lesson now. I will never EVER scrimp on tyres!

Skoda Octavia vRS - Skidding with new rear tyres - balleballe

I am very happy to report that the tyre fitter agreed to refund the cost of the budgets. It meant I had to go for the only mids they had: some Coopers for 105 a corner. It has some lifetime warranty thing with it.

But I have learnt my lesson now. I will never EVER scrimp on tyres!

Good for you. It was decent of them to refund you, most would have told you to 'do one'

105 per corner for coopers seems reasonable if they're on 18 or 19 inch rims. I assume it's 18 inch?

A wise man once said:

"Your tyres are the only thing connecting you to the ground, so dont penny pinch on them"

Edited by balleballe on 28/01/2015 at 12:29

Skoda Octavia vRS - Skidding with new rear tyres - gordonbennet

good surprising result that, thanks for updating.

Skoda Octavia vRS - Skidding with new rear tyres - fsa

I was honestly expecting them to tell me to 'do one'; since they are very local, I thought it was worth a shot.

That man was very wise and I was foolish to ignore that advice.

Yup, they are 18".

Edited by fsa on 02/02/2015 at 03:03

Skoda Octavia vRS - Skidding with new rear tyres - Avant

Could you tell us the name and location of this tyre fitter? I think he deserves some credit, and perhaps putting into the Good Garage Guide.