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No such thing as foolproof security transmission, if someone wants to get in a car or control it there are ways and always will be.
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Agreed......people started stealing cars the day after they were first invented and I cant ever see the situation changing.
People are going to all this trouble not to steal cars but to show off and simply prove they have the abilty to hack the systems, much in the same way certain people take great pleasure in hacking and disrupting websites for no reason other than kudos amongst the like minded. Then the media gets hold of it, blow everything out of proprtion and people start start shaking their heads.
Old tech is far easier, put a window through, jemmy the door frame, steal the keys or if you are that desperate mug the owner for them!!....Can we ever totaly remove all the risks??
I will wager that for every 1 car stolen through hacking 999 will still be TWOCed by the more `traditional` methods.
I rememeber that famous clip a few years ago of the BMW being hacked and then driven off and the fuss surrounding it. As far as i am concerned the owner was lucky, lucky in that the perps didnt kick his back door in, batter the dog senseless, tie up his wife and kids, and stick a sawn off up his nose before demanding the key
Cars using traditional `key` based systems are going missing every night up and down the country but does anyone care.......nah course not, the old ways are always best!!!
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Somewhere between the Model T of about 100 years ago. Little comfort, no security, no safety considerations and a very physical startup procedure that could easily take 5 mins or more and todays top up the range BMW or MB and the reams of conveniences, comfort, safety and security features they come with it would appear the balance between automotive technology and user appreciation reached its zenith then plunged off the cliff.
Does anyone want to say exactly where it happened in the timeline and why?
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Somewhere between the Model T of about 100 years ago. Little comfort, no security, no safety considerations and a very physical startup procedure that could easily take 5 mins or more and todays top up the range BMW or MB and the reams of conveniences, comfort, safety and security features they come with it would appear the balance between automotive technology and user appreciation reached its zenith then plunged off the cliff.
Does anyone want to say exactly where it happened in the timeline and why?
Not sure, but I dont want to go back to those days, tech has only really taken off in the last 20 years and gone faster as circuits got smaller meaning better tech/ in smaller package, lighter cars, and more comfort and more freedom with design, not that some designs are desirable but there ya go
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<< smaller package, lighter cars, and more comfort >>
Lighter cars - you may be joking I suppose. Thanks mainly to safety regs, but also general obesity (of the cars) and wholesale addition of gizmos, some of occasional use only, cars are anything up to 50% heavier, like for like, than 25 years ago. Luckily better engine management has kept fuel economy about the same.
Smaller package - I don't see that electronic miniaturisation will make much difference to the total size of a car. Every new generation has to be perceptibly bigger than its predecessor or the punters don't see it as an advance (think what an original Clio or Astra was like).
More comfort - OK, I'll buy that. But I don't think it always happens.
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Does anyone want to say exactly where it happened in the timeline and why?
To me cars reached a happy pinnacle around the late 80's and through the 90's designs, built up to early to mid noughties, we reached high levels of safety handling reliability performance economy rustproofing driveability.
Generally but not always designs of those times were reasonably easy to repair and electronics hadn't gone too far, but what the makers discovered was those cars if maintained well would last almost indefinately and that's not what they want, and it had to change, and it has.
Most makes had models of 90's designs that are well regarded, too often the replacements from early to mid noughties gained gearboxes/injection/exhaust systems with electronic (incl the parking brake of doom) systems of increasing complexity that will in many cases render the vehicle uneconomical to repair before too many years go by, let alone engines failing long before they should due in no small way to extended service intervals whilst things like timing chains have increasingly been made of cheese and are supposed to survive 20,000 mile contaminated oil, brilliant.
What puzzles me is why new car buyers seem happy to continue down this road, but then the lunacy of electing the same bunch of crooks to govern you and expecting a different end result has always puzzled me too, maybe it's the same people.
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What puzzles me is why new car buyers seem happy to continue down this road
Unless they stick to older cars they dont really have much choice, and this fixation by certain people about climate change and reducing emissions to clean up the air,
which in my opinion target they are expected to reach is impossible without going electric( though even thats debatable, possibly impossible)
also dont forget second hand market got a bad name for years so buyers decided to get new cars, the thought of longer service intervals was to them money in the pocket and outweighed any thoughts of gimicks going wrong
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GB, your post was going swimmingly until you tried to blame the politicians for all the problems .... :-)
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I thought the jump to blaming the politicians was a bit of a stretch too, however it may have been a simple ploy to end a post which while entertaining was rather heading in the wrong direction, each generation of car does seem to get better, occasionally we have 2 steps forward and 1 back but model for model I'd much rather drive a 2015 version than a 2010.
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GB, your post was going swimmingly until you tried to blame the politicians for all the problems .... :-)
I actually agree with GB`s post but didnt want to bring the politics into it, though the emissions part was to do with it!
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I agree fully with GB, in the 80's and 90's cars were being given useful technology. Things like electronic ignition and electronic fuel injection were improving cars. Along with good security measures such as transponder immobilisers.
Now we are at a point where cars are being crammed more and more with things that some of us just don't want.
Stupid, expensive and I'm my opinion unnecessary tech such as electronic oil level monitoring (some cars don't even have a dipstick anymore), electronic tyre pressure monitoring, electronic parking brakes, hill start assist. I'd trade all of this nonsense for an oil pressure gauge and ammeter as standard fitment.
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Electronic ignition was, however, driven by the requirement to fit catalytic convertors as ordered by the Eurocrats in Brussels.
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Electronic ignition was, however, driven by the requirement to fit catalytic convertors as ordered by the Eurocrats in Brussels.
Those evil Eurocrats and there awful electronic ignitions!
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