Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - Jen176

My engine mangement light came on back in June, I took it into a Toyota dealer and they said it was the DPF and even may need a new engine. I didn't, but they did force a regeneration. At the time they also did my annual service. A few weeks later my service light started flashing. I looked this up the internet, information was too much oil, so not too worried. I've got fed up of the light (sometimes it goes off for a few days, then back on) and taken it back to the garage. They've come back and said its not the oil but could be the DPF. I have driven an hour on the motorway recently, but I also drive over 40 miles everyday on A roads. (to + from work). It feels like they are trying to blame my driving, or the journey is not on the motorway - could this be it? I have lost trust in this car and am looking for some advice. thanks

Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - HandCart

If the car is only 2 years old, isn't it still under the original Toyota warranty?

Is that garage prepared to force another regen free of charge, or replace the DPF under warranty?

Perhaps consider taking it to a different Toyota dealer or an independent Toyota specialist for them to give you their verdict.

Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - Auristocrat

If the car is two years old, and was bought new in the UK from a Toyota dealer, it will be covered by the remainder of the 5 year /100000 mile new car warranty.

If it was bought outside the UK, it will have the remainder of the 3 year/100,000km new car warranty.

Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - Hamsafar

They will probably say...

Exclusions:
*The replacement of parts due wear & tear

Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - Auristocrat

Is the 'yellow spanner light' coming on?

Edited by Auristocrat on 10/09/2014 at 22:03

Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - The-Mechanic

Auristocrat, your thinking what I am aren't you ?

There is an issue with some of these engines which Toyota has a technical service bulletin on. The effected engines either consume too much oil or, as in your case, the level rises. Its caused by the extra diesel that's used by the regeneration phase getting into the sump. If both the EML and spanner light are on, then it needs the TSB rework carried out.

Toyota's fix is a new short motor (engine block, crank and pistons) and, subject to quite detailed checks and tests both with the diagnostic computer and physical checks, it may need a modified vacuum pump, turbo charger and new injectors plus an engine ECU reflash will be carried out once the mechanical work has been completed.

All this should be carried out under warranty. The dealership that regenerated the DPF should have been aware of the TSB and should have carried out the pre requisite checks involved, not just try and clear the DPF.

I'd be taking the car back, making them aware of the TSB and getting it fixed correctly this time. Oh, and if they charged you for the regen, get them to refund you as it shouldn't have been carried out in the first place.

Edited by The-Mechanic on 11/09/2014 at 00:06

Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - KB.

There was (is) a bloke who has posted here in the past who openly declared his dislike for Toyota (can't really remember whether it was more the cars or the dealers...I think the latter). I always tended to think he was an exception to the rule. My own experience with Toyota was good (but was a long ago, admittedly) and my experience with Honda was superb.

I've always said the occurrence of a problem isn't the end of the world - it was the way they dealt with it that counted.

I hope this isn't a sign of poor customer service from Toyota. I agree this is just one example and hope it's not the tip of an iceberg? I've sort of got used to hearing that the French were this or that and if you bought a Vauxhall you were asking for trouble and the Italians were stylish but unreliable and Ford were only so so. And so it goes on. But I always harboured the thought that Toyota and Honda could be relied upon for reliability and good service....I do hope I'm not to be disavowed of this now?

I have a Skoda and a Hyundai and both have had a few problems but they did get sorted after a bit of to-ing and fro-ing. Maybe they're all much of a muchness now.

Edited by KB. on 11/09/2014 at 00:47

Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - Auristocrat

Auristocrat, your thinking what I am aren't you ?

There is an issue with some of these engines which Toyota has a technical service bulletin on. The effected engines either consume too much oil or, as in your case, the level rises. Its caused by the extra diesel that's used by the regeneration phase getting into the sump. If both the EML and spanner light are on, then it needs the TSB rework carried out.

Toyota's fix is a new short motor (engine block, crank and pistons) and, subject to quite detailed checks and tests both with the diagnostic computer and physical checks, it may need a modified vacuum pump, turbo charger and new injectors plus an engine ECU reflash will be carried out once the mechanical work has been completed.

All this should be carried out under warranty. The dealership that regenerated the DPF should have been aware of the TSB and should have carried out the pre requisite checks involved, not just try and clear the DPF.

I'd be taking the car back, making them aware of the TSB and getting it fixed correctly this time. Oh, and if they charged you for the regen, get them to refund you as it shouldn't have been carried out in the first place.

The service bulletin reference is EG-0017T-0411. There is also a warranty extension in place covered under a warranty bulletin.

Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - craig-pd130

Excellent advice on this thread, hopefully will give the original poster all the material needed to sort the problem one way or another.

Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - The-Mechanic

The service bulletin reference is EG-0017T-0411. There is also a warranty extension in place covered under a warranty bulletin.

That's the one Auristocrat. I meant to look it up in work today but got snowed under with training my apprentice.

Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - Jen176
Thanks, the dpf is under warranty, but they are saying its because my journeys are not causing the regen to happen and the filter itself is fine. The regen light itself is not coming on but only the spanner light flashing. They have said that if it is because Its not regenerating they will charge me. It's going in this week for checking. Will have to wait and see.
Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - YG2007

So Toyota are using the same excuse as Mazda. Short journeys Exhaust doesn't reach temperature to allow a regeneration cycle to run. diesel is effectivley squirted into the exhaust cycle to "burn off" the soot accumulating on the DPF. If the cycle is interrupted diesel ends up accumulating in the oil in the sump where it reduces lubrication of the oil that can lead to accelerated engine wear. In extreme cases the level in the sump could rise to a point where the diesel engine is able to injest its own oil and blow itself to bits.

Are the manufacturers sellnig cars with these systems activiely advising their potential customers at the point of sale that vehicles fitted with these systems need a regular extended hi revolution run to safely complete the regen cycle ? or are they just making the sale and blaming the customer for driving short journeys when they come back a year or so later with problems?

Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - GHSAUNDERS40

So Toyota are using the same excuse as Mazda. Short journeys Exhaust doesn't reach temperature to allow a regeneration cycle to run. diesel is effectivley squirted into the exhaust cycle to "burn off" the soot accumulating on the DPF. If the cycle is interrupted diesel ends up accumulating in the oil in the sump where it reduces lubrication of the oil that can lead to accelerated engine wear. In extreme cases the level in the sump could rise to a point where the diesel engine is able to injest its own oil and blow itself to bits.

Are the manufacturers sellnig cars with these systems activiely advising their potential customers at the point of sale that vehicles fitted with these systems need a regular extended hi revolution run to safely complete the regen cycle ? or are they just making the sale and blaming the customer for driving short journeys when they come back a year or so later with problems?

I bought a Vauxhall Astra 1.6 CDTI last month. Vauxhall specifically made me sign a waver that I understood what journey type was required to clear the DPF and that only one forced regen would be provided under warranty.
Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - The-Mechanic

The regen light itself is not coming on but only the spanner light flashing.

If that's the case then it's definitely the Technical Service Bulletin that needs carrying out.

When you go into the dealers, tell them to check the TSB number EG-0017T-0411 and get them to put a new short block engine in it. If they umm and ahh about it, get Toyota customer service involved as the dealership obviously doesn't know what they're doing.

Good luck.

Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - Hamsafar

When you go into the dealers, tell them to check the TSB number EG-0017T-0411 and ...

How does one approach that without rubbing them up the wrong way?

Nobody likes being told how to do their job by a layperson and whenever I have tried that it has backfired.

Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - Perfection

Please check my previous post last year. I had the same problem that I noticed the car regenerate cycle reduced from 400 miles to 100 miles and today it regenerate at every 30 miles.

To cut story short:

1. The car was serviced by Burton garage and two weeks later the service spanner light flashing. I checked the oil and it was 1 inch above the max line on the dip stick. I knew this due to dpf regeneration.

2. I reported the problem to Toyota UK and was advised to take if to Burton garage. This was my biggest mistake as they did not know what a dpf is and two previous service was carried out by them and i noticed they have used regular oil when I checked the invoice. They should have used low ash oil. The dpf could have been damaged by this service dealer. They told me the increased oil was due the mechanic putting too much oil. That was foolish answer.

When they investigated the reported dpf problem, I don't think they had the knowledge. I requested to provide the pressure reading which they failed to provide.

3. I complaint to Toyota UK and was told to take the car to another garage in Birmingham, similarly hey did not find anything wrong except they carried out a force regeneration and updated the ecu software. The car was handed back to me stating that everything is fixed.

4. The car was driven and I dud not noticed any improvement to the regeneration cycle, ie between 70 to 100 miles. I later used dpf cleaner fluid added to the fuel. This helps to improve the regeneration cycle to 300 to 400 miles for the next 7000 miles. After even though I continued to use the dpf cleaner fluid it did not make any difference and the regeneration cycle reduced to 70 miles and until last week it's down to 30 miles.

5. The car was due for another service last week so took it to Bromsgrove garage and I explained to he Master Mechanic that I had the dpf issue and I wonder if he us interested in investigating the problem. When I spoke to this mechanic he was being very receptive and understood what my complaints and was very interested to get to the bottom. I was told to book in the car for him to look at after the service.

6. Bromsgrove serviced the car and I driven car for another two weeks and the service light was flashing. Again I confirmed if was due to the rise in the engine oil. In fact thus was a good timing for the problem to show up as it was going to the garage to be investigated.

7. Bromsgrove had the car for 3 days which they have performed a force regeneration and the and they measured the dpf pressure which shows 102% loading.

It should not get as high as that as the regeneration should starts at 45% and should go back down near to zero.

The garage confirmed that the car definitely have dpf problem. At this point they checked the status of the ecu. They said the ecu has the software updated but the bulletin issued hy Toyota was not executed properly. They are saying that Birmingham didn't do he correct job and now the dpf has been damaged.

8. Bromsgrove recommended to replace the short block engine, vacuum pump and the dpf. Bromsgrove say all the 3 parts need to be replaced but they can't replace the dpf ad it wax damaged by Birmingham. So the garage stated that if the dpf is not replaced it's no point replacing the other 2 parts as the root cause is not fixed. Toyota UK tried to make a claim against Birmingham. There seems to be some wrangling going on between the two organisation. So I was stuck with no repairs.

9. I later emailed the Toyota UK MD and I had a response the following morning saying that the garage is authorised to carry out the repair when the parts are in stock. So just waiting for the parts to turn up at the garage now.

Conclusions :

1. Toyota diesel dpf cars definitely have problems. But it is difficult for the customer to proof to them as most garage are incompetent and are not interested in fixing problems. The car dash should provide an indication that the car is performing dpf regeneration so that it is clear to the customer and the garage who are investigating the problem. Toyota UK will tell you that the increased I engine speed from 600 rpm to 900rpm is due to AC and electrical loads are on. Which is cobblers and I have not seen a car would rev that high with those loads switched on.

3. From what I have gathered most people who complaints dpf regeneration, the xar is about 2 years old. So if the car is nog fixed and is sold on ti the second hand market it is very that someone has to fix it at a hefty cost.

4. I believe Toyota has some issue with listening and taking customers complaints seriously. I did get any remedy for over 15 months. It need to be complaint to the top of the company.

For this reason I will not buy another Toyota car based on the customer service and dealerships I have experienced.

5. If any one wanted to fix their dpf car, take it to Bromsgrove as they have the knowledge and interest in fixing problems.

I hope the above helps to resolve your problem and be persistent with Toyota UK.

Regards.

Perfect.

Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - Auristocrat

To say that 'Toyota diesel dpf cars definitely have problems' is a bit wide of the mark. Currently some of the 1.4 diesels have problems with the dpfs and increasing oil consumption - and that is why Toyota have issued the service bulletin mentioned earlier in this topic.

Various manufacturers have issues with dpf's. The Honest John newsletter received tonight contains the following on dpf's -

"Diesel particulate filters (DPFs) are always a popular topic on HonestJohn.co.uk, but September saw a huge increase in DPF questions.

In fact, hundreds of you sent questions to HJ's inbox to ask for tips on DPF maintenance and replacement."

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/keywords/?word=diesel+particulate+filters

Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - thunderbird

7. Bromsgrove had the car for 3 days which they have performed a force regeneration and the and they measured the dpf pressure which shows 102% loading.

These type of statements show how little either garage or owners know. Whilst its possible to get percentages over 100, as an example your house can increase in value by 150%, its is simply not possible to to fill a container such as a DPF to more than full which is 100%.

Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - HandCart

Maybe it's not the 'fillage' - maybe it's 2% above the backpressure value which is deemed to be the maximum it's ever supposed to reach. ( ? )

Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - Ethan Edwards

For balance. - I own(ed from new and still own) a 62 plate Yaris thats just coming up to having 37,000 miles on it. Utterly bulletproof. Never had anything mechanical except the scheduled servicing. The dealer Lancaster Rayleigh superb. Attentive staff, pleasant experience, nice free coffee etc.

Only thing was (and it's really very minor) the Traffic messages on the Touch n Go. They were saying weird things. You were 70 yards from this incidenat and also you were 100 yeards from another incident but the locations given were hundreds of miles apart. They spent a huge amount of attention on it and finally updated the software to the latest version. I'm a very happy customer. Mine's not the Diesel one though (I almost bought it) but opted for the Hybrid one instead. Anyway best car I've ever owned......and I'm including the wifes' Nissan Qashqai in that ...thats been nothing but a dealer boomerang. Quite disappointing the QQ after 11 years of X-Trail bomb proof reliability.

Oh and your right the OP will have another 3 years Toyota Warranty. Not that I expect to need mine as the Yaris has been a treat to own. DPF...I blame the Eco clods and the EU.

Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - SmegsterXV

I am one of the suffers of the above problems, with the car having its short engine block replaced twice now in two years. The car goes on the moterway daily (about 25 minutes) after getting to it! It also does trips of atleast 2 hours on the moterway atleast once a month.

The car suffers from the same problems as above, even after being done to the latest TSB, I checked including giving it them.

This weekend, the car did its trip across country doing 1 and half hours fo moterway there and 1 and half hours back. This morning, the DPF filter light has come on to tell me it is at the point where I need to keep driving until it has cleared itself.

The car has only been driven for about 20 miles since the weekend, so if the DPF is clogged again, then the cars musn't be regenerating properly.

There must be a problem with some of the Toyota Disel engines, I just don't think Toyota has yet found the exact cause of the problem.

I was told last time I took the car back (it has been back 6 times in 2 months), that I mustn't be driving it right, even though it wasn't the coil light showing...

I now have more evidence that the car is in fact at fault because even after the long trips the DPF isn't regenerating, the car is going back to it's second home again tonight, so Toyota can come up with another excuse as to why the car isn't doign what it is meant to do.

I feel like a bit of a test for Toyota at the moment, but I am stuck with a car that hasn't successfully stayed on the road for 2 weeks in a row for the last 3 months. It has finance on, so i am stuck with it.

Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - Perfection

How many miles has the car done? Did the garage replaced the dpf filter when you replaced the short block engine?

If the mileage is above 40-50k miles. Then it is the filter being clogged. It is regenerate properly. Get them to replace the dpf.

Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - SmegsterXV

The car has 57k miles on it (its 3 years old, not 2). it had its first new short engine block at about 38k miles about 14 months ago. When Toyota didn't seem to think there was a problem with the engines and before the TSB had been issued.

Only the short engine block was replaced though. That short engine block lasted from 38k miles to about 55k miles before exactly the same problem occured. Although the DPF hasn't been replaced it has been cleaned out fully twice, not just from doing a regen on the car.

I am another year down the road from most people as my car is 3 years old as oppose to 2 years old, but at 2 years old it had the same problem, the problem just reoccurs again. If the car needs a new DPF every 2 years (40k miles or so) then the design is must be pathetic, if you don't do the miles, the DPF doesn't regen but if you do then you need to replace the filter every 2 years. That's a very expensive cost of ownership.

The latest issue, the DPF filter light coming on, is after it was cleaned 2 weeks ago and having done 2 long moterway trips over the weekend. We'll see what Toyota decide is wrong this time and what they want to try next.

Personally I wouldn't get a diesel from Toyota again.

Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - Perfection

The mileage you have got on your car is similar to mine when I had the problem.

The root cause is the dpf being filled with soot and the regeneration will not clears it, regardless your are driving on the motorway. When it regenwrate, all it do is "compact" the soot a bit more giving a bit more space to store the soot. The dpf will eventually get full to a point where the regeneration cycle starts from being 400 miles to something like 20-30 miles. In turn the diesel gets its way into the engine.

I think he yaris dpf size is too small to give a reasonable mileage, ie 100k miles. I would take it to another garage. You need them to measure the dpf pressure to identify the build up of soot. Only his way the garage will put a warranty claims like in my case. Changing the engine block is not the solution. The root cause is the dpf getting full. It is at its end of its service life.

Hope above helps. I recommend to take it to Swansea or Bromsgrove garage if you are near to them.

Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - HandCart

It does indeed sound as though, in practice, the DPF is simply physically too small for the job.

Do Toyota fit a physically larger DPF on the Avensis, Verso, etc, with the bigger engines they have?

If so, is it feasible for the garage to fit one of those ones onto the Yaris instead?

If it fits, that would be a far easier and less labour-intensive recall job than replacing engine blocks! Surely less costly in warranty or recall terms to Toyota too ( ? )

Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - SmegsterXV

To be perfectly honest. Toyota won't admit what the problem really is, no matter how many times it is taken back.

If it is a case of the DPF being to small and being filled to beyond useable and they aren't replacing it, then that's fine I will keep returning the car to them because they will never be able to fix the problem properly. My car has 4 years warranty left on it, so I'll fill up a 2nd DPF in that time with ease.

I actually like taking the car back to Toyota dealerships, it is costing Toyota central money because of their bad desgin. Maybe they will admit a problem in the end.

Toyota Yaris - DPF in 2 year old Yaris - dogdays

The trouble lies with Toyota Technical in France, who make it difficult for your dealer to reapir your car without a detailed cost for the job before they start. If they misdiagnose the fault or Toyota France does not agree with them when inspecting the retuned bits, Toyota refuse to pay them for the job.

Toyota should deal with these people before they loose their good name

Edited by dogdays on 02/11/2014 at 00:08