Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - RickyBoy
I'm seriously considering buying a new Audi A3 Sportback SE 1.4 TFSI 122 PS. It's probably gonna be my 'death car' so I've decided to go slightly upmarket!

Pal of mine bought the manual petrol variant (of which I've had a brief test drive in) late last year and rates it as the best car (in that sector) that he's ever owned.

I guess if you were spending £30-40K you'd undoubtedly plump for the auto but I wonder if it's worth it if only spending low £20Ks & fitted to a 1.4 donkey?

CO2 for the manual is 123 and 116 for the S tropic, so the auto drops down a group saving £75 from Yr2 (at current rates) - so utterly insignificant in the short-term/grand scheme given the auto is +£1500 at point of purchase, etc.

So, I guess my real question is does the 1.4 merit an autobox or is it 'overkill at that level'?

No, on second thoughts I suppose my real concern should be with regard to the durability of the respective gearboxes??

Does anyone on here have previous experience of the A3 7-speed S tropic???

Best...
RB



Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - Avant

There have been a lot of problems with the 7-speed DSG - both jerkiness and unreliability - and I'm not sure whether they've been resolved.

I've gone from an Octavia vRS with DSG to a vRS manual: both have had the 2.0 TSI petrol which is quite similar to the 1.4 TSI that you're looking at. the DSG as 6-speed and smooth and reliable - but I did feel that it was somehow holding back some of the performance. The manual feels a lot faster, although this doesn't show in the official figures.

So if I were you I'd go for the manual unless you're going to drive mainly in heavy traffic. Great car - it'll be on my list if we eventually don't need a big car any more.

Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - RickyBoy
Appreciate your response Avant.

I'll be leaving a 10-year old (fairly faultless apart from normal wear and tear items) Octavia vRS 1.8 turbo manual, owned from new, and with 104,000 on the clock for it!

It'll be used (mainly) for leisure day's out/round-trips of up to 150 miles as we have a 1.2 Polo low-mileage petrol for local 'pottering'.

I was on the cusp of going for another vRS (the estate this time just for a change) but now feel the A3 S/back is large enough for my needs.

So, I admire your current vehicle, you like my potential replacement - kindred spirits or separated at birth? :-)

Best...
RB
Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - RichT54

I have an A3 Sportback 1.4 on order. I was thinking about getting a DSG to save wear and tear on aging knee joint but was put off by the reputation for expensive repairs and some issues with pulling away cleanly.

However after test driving a 1.4 manual I was really impressed with the lightness and precision of the gear selector and the clutch and decided it would suit me fine.

Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - RickyBoy
That's useful to know RichT54.

Manual appears to be the (safest) way to go.

There are a handful of options that appeal:
Metallic;
Climate;
F/mirrors;
Sat-Nav;
Aluminium roof rails!

I'm guessing I'll be looking at around 12-weeks for a new-build these days?

Now to negotiate...

Many thanks,
RB
Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - Chris79

Check how the folding mirrors operaate. On my the a4 they fold in automatically when you turn the car off. On the Q3 we have you have to turn the knob to get them to fold in. Only a small point i know but its a bit annoying when your used to the first option!.

Have you driven the latest 1.4T with 150 hp / ps?. Donkey seems a bit harsh!!

Hope you enjoy the soon to be new purchase. I sued Drive the Deal as a bargaining chip when buying my audis.

Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - RickyBoy
Again, many thanks for the 'heads-up' re: mirrors Chris79.

I'm already armed with prices derived from Both the Drive The Deal & Carfile sites so will be employing exactly the same strategy as yourself, in the first instance, to see if any authorised dealers will bite!

Don't mind who I use or how far I have to travel (within reason from the centre of the country) if the final price is right...

Best,
RB
Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - RichT54
That's useful to know RichT54. Manual appears to be the (safest) way to go. There are a handful of options that appeal: Metallic; Climate; F/mirrors; Sat-Nav; Aluminium roof rails! I'm guessing I'll be looking at around 12-weeks for a new-build these days? Now to negotiate... Many thanks, RB

When I was speaking to the dealer I was told that the average wait for a factory build would be around 5 months! However, they had an unsold A3 allocated to be built early March and were able to tweak the spec to match my requirements. I've now been told that it has left the factory and they expect it to arrive late March or early April.

The one I test drove was the 122PS, but I have ordered the 140PS Cylinder on Demand version.

Good luck with your search.

Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - Cyd

As it's your own car and you're likely to keep it a while like you did the Octavia, bear in mind that folding mirrors are hellish expensive to replace should you have a car park clash!!

For the same reason I would avoid ones that fold automatically as they will operate every time you lock the car and the mechanisms do wear out!!

Personally I won't have them.

PS: as an automotive engineer I spent 4 years dealing with SVS (aka Britax) and Magna Mirrors, who between them supply most of the European auto makers. The mechanisms simply aren't robust enough for my liking. Probably why secondhand good ones off young crashed cars sell for loads-a-money on ebay (I know, I've sold loads!!).

Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - RickyBoy
Oh, gawd!

Possible 5-month wait, give electrically operated folding-mirrors a, ahem, wide berth (cheers Cyd(P)).

Plus, I personally can do without Sat-Nav (being an old-skool map-man) but I guess most folk deem it as a 'must have' when buying 2nd-hand these days?

So, I'll adjust my spec. accordingly and see what occurs. I'll report back in due course whether I'm successful or unsuccessful!

Many thanks again for your most helpful alerts/comments/hints/knowing nods/tips, etc.

Best...
RB
Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - Alby Back
For what it's worth, two of our company cars have recently had major problems with their dsg gearboxes. They were a Passat and a Golf. I'd not rush to have a car with one of those fitted...
Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - RickyBoy
Update ...

... was oh, so close to doing a deal on Friday but matey wouldn't 'bend over' and lose the £390.00 quid I was hoping he might (I just love round numbers me), so the battle rages on - hah! ...
Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - Avant

On a £20,000 car a salesman who quibbles over £390 deserves to perish. I suggest you go to another dealer and tell them the figures you're after. If they want the sale they should go along with you.

Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - RickyBoy
My thoughts exactly Avant, though this was on top of an already offered £1,470.00 discount (the same discount that my buddy achieved) which they obviously felt was stretching things to the limit of their 'goodwill'! I was simply asking for things to be rounded-down to EXACTLY £20K ...

An Internet broker can supposedly do the deal for £19,7something (I will be contacting them tomorrow to confirm that fact) but I was prepared to sell my soul for £20K and form an 'ongoing 'servicing relationship' with ********. I even put in a personal appearance in the hope that my good looks and spadeloads of charm might be enough to secure the deal but they didn't (want to) bite - even when he told me he hadn't achieved this quarter's targets yet? 7-days remain before he sees the error of his ways? I doubt it ...

... I'm in no particular hurry now (having been quoted approx 10-12 weeks for a new factory-build) so may well bide my time for a Sept 1st 64-plate?

Still quite fancy that vRS estate if the truth be known, oh, and was overtaken/followed for a good few miles a new Merc CLA 200/220(?) on Saturday. That looked rather splendid in the flesh too ...

Best,
RB
Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - csgmart
Still quite fancy that vRS estate if the truth be known, oh, and was overtaken/followed for a good few miles a new Merc CLA 200/220(?) on Saturday. That looked rather splendid in the flesh too ... Best, RB

I would give the CLA a quick look. If you still fancy an auto the Merc has a 'proper' one.

We've got 2 Mercs in the household, both auto and both superb.

Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - RickyBoy

Hi csgmart.

After my 'gap-year' (my 1st retirement year) ended I secured a part-time job with the Corporate Division of my local dealership delivering new M-Bs around the country to relieve the monotony of a poor winter!

Drove everything from a Smart through to the S-Class (& my all-time fave - the CL500), so yes, I fully concur with what you're saying about Merc auto-boxes.

I'm guessing it'll be the wrong side of £30K once you've added a few 'options' though?

Best ...
RB

Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - csgmart

I'm guessing it'll be the wrong side of £30K once you've added a few 'options' though?

Best ...
RB

I think you are right, however a fairly new C Class or similar can be had for the same price as an A3 specc'd up I believe.

Good luck with your search and hope you end up with something you really enjoy driving.

Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - skidpan

I bought a new Seat Leon 1.4 TSi from Carfile.net back in June lat year. Exact same car as the Audi under the skin.

The local dealers were just not prepared to talk about a sale unless you were prepared to pay full retail with minimum trade in on your old car.

Carfile discounted the car by £2000 and I got another £1000 off by signing up to the PCP, paid it up after 2 weeks, kept the £1000. Their dealer actually beat the local dealers trade in by a small amount, overall I was over £3000 better off.

Enquired on Saturday, spoke to Carfile Monday, dealer rang 15 minutes later, offer made within 20 minutes, car ordered before dinner, collected Friday same week. V5 came with 2 weeks with me as first keeper.

Well worth enquiring, they are not one of those companies that keep the V5 etc.

Here is a link to the A3 http://www.carfile.net/vehicle.php?vehid=57271&type=b

Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - RickyBoy

Thanks both:

cgsmart – On arriving home on Saturday I ordered the CLA brochure online. I didn't express an interest in any 'follow-up' contact, however, M-B have been in touch this morning and invited me down for a test-drive of a 220 auto on Wednesday. No harm in looking, plus the Skoda dealership is just around the corner :–)

skidpan – I had looked at Carfile a week or so ago but DTD just shaded them on price at that time, though I'm more than happy to run the info past both of them again, in tandem, tomorrow (forecast is for rain then so I won't mind being indoors for an hour or two, unlike today). Interesting what you say about trade-in's too. Trading-in wasn't initially on the agenda/necessary but last Friday I asked them to build it in to the equation to see if it made any significant difference. I was offered (what I plainly thought to be) a derisory amount for a mid-June delivery and £200 less if I waited 'til Sept – we were poles apart on valuation! I'd prefer to see it rot on the drive than chop it in at that sort of money ...

... just received a call moments ago from 'matey' asking if he should go ahead and place an order for a Sportback for me!!!

Que Sera Sera ...

Best,
RB

Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - skidpan

DTD and Carfile were offering the same price within a few pounds when I bought but DTD did not do PX's which was in truth the decider especially when Carfiles dealer offered a price I would have been unlikely to better if I had sold privately.

One of our local dealers kept ringing back asking what he had to do to get me to buy. My answer, before I ordered from Carfile was quite simple, get me a better deal. He would go away and come back offering exactly the same deal and ask is that better. Don't know if he was thick or just stupid. He could not seem to grasp the concept that when he was told he would have to lower the price to get me to buy by simply offering the same deal he was failing to get my attention and a sale. Shame really, nice coffee and a very good test drive.

Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - RickyBoy
Very useful info skidpan, which I'll bear in mind - appreciated.

The local dealer that kept troubling you - was he a 'yoof' by any chance?

It's a game innit ...
Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - skidpan
The local dealer that kept troubling you - was he a 'yoof' by any chance?

He was possibly just old enough to be allowed out without parental supervision.

Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - csgmart

This evening I was passed by an A class (one of the new shape ones....).

I don't know what size car you are looking for but I bet these are cheaper than the CLA...

Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - RickyBoy

Had my test-drive in the M-B CLA 220 CDI Sport Auto through lunchtime today (day earlier than planned – that's German efficiency for you!)

Utterly effortless to drive as expected. Great performance with an exceedingly pleasant cabin/cockpit feel/position. It's about 4-yrs since I was last behind the wheel of a Merc but I slipped into 'driving-mode' within just a couple of minutes. Brought back all those delightful delivery days out where the left arm just goes to sleep and you steer it with the fingertips of your right, etc. ...

... however, this was the AMG variant and it's a little too blingy/shiny on the dash for my money (possibly a tad subdued in the entry model?), the multimedia screen isn't integrated into the dash so looks as though it's been 'nailed-on' as an afterthought, and rear legroom/headroom is non-existant if you're 6' like moi!

OK, so I personally won't be spending anytime in the back but it's far too much of a coupé (and those inherent restraints) for my comfort. Very nice but not for a bloke of 63!

So, with that immediately eliminated from my list and combined with the fact that another Octavia would be my third (one too many) I'm going to go with my original instinct and see the process through with the Sportback.

Everything crossed ...

Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - RickyBoy

FINAL (honestly) UPDATE ...

After a week's hard graft on the iMac/iPad and good old-fashioned landline (I do have a couple of mobiles) I finally 'nailed' the deal that I was looking for on the Sportback!

I won't bore you with the details (oh, go on I hear you say), however, I'm indebted to this Forum for the strategic, mechanical & practical advice that I've received from some of you during the past fortnight or so.

It's been much appreciated, has assisted me greatly in my negotiations and has put me in 'a very good place' this evening! www.HJ is indeed a powerful resource to have on your side.

Best wishes to one and all ...
RB

Audi - Manual 6-speed or Auto 7-speed box? - Avant

Well done, and we'll all look forward to hearing how things go when you finally get the A3. I'm glad we were able to help!