Talking of gadgets, a company used to make one for the oil filter, basically it was just a elasticated strap containing several strong rare earth magnets. It was just slipped over the filter after fitting and trapped all the ferrous particles that went by, then after the filter was removed for the next oil change the strap was swapped onto the newly fitted filter. I saw a review in a magazine where they used this strap and cut the oil filter open, according to them it had trapped loads of very fine particles but not so much as to risk blocking the filter. I think it was Practical motoring or something like that. I guess you could make your own using high power magnets from Maplins. Mini's were always bad for the metal in the oil due to the gearbox. I once used some oil flush in my first mini (1968 mk.2), when I drained the oil far too much metal came with it, since then I've always refered to it as bearing flush!
Steve.
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Probably an urban myth, but I remember hearing about an oil filter that preserved engines so well that the inventor got bought out. Everlasting matches, I know, but the fact that a simple magnet can catch stuff that the filter misses, suggests that there is room for improvement. I like the idea of ones you can strap on the filter, although the sump plug version has the attraction (ho, ho) that you can see the result...
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Probably an urban myth, but I remember hearing about an oil filter that preserved engines so well that the inventor got bought out. Everlasting matches, I know, but the fact that a simple magnet can catch stuff that the filter misses, suggests that there is room for improvement.
My filters seem to be magnetic anyway. Am I wrong?
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I know the drain plug for the transmission on the Auto Rover 400 is magnetic (it looked like a metal hedgehog when I did the first ATF change at 62,000 miles...... which is why I got it so cheap), but strangely the sump plug wasn't.
The filter did seem the have an unusual attraction for screwdrivers (It's all but impossible to get a chainwrench around the filter on the auto so I used the old fashioned way of removing the filter: Stab the thing with a screwdriver and use that for leverage) so I assume they incorporated some magnetic material in the filter.
Bodgit? Me?
No Dosh. *If you can't shift it, use a bigger hammer*
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I always thought the point of draining the lube from underneath was so the crud which had accumulated could be drained out with the old oil.
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I used the old fashioned way of removing the filter: Stab the thing with a screwdriver and use that for leverage)
A length of cord might have worked?
*If you can't shift it, use a bigger hammer*
Unwise being a master of the kinetic art form.
Do not use the force, Heathen's damage their tools and ruin the thing to be removed, thus paying twice over and as *No Dosh* you might have sussed that.
This gadget thing, not worth the money but you could use it to suck the pools of dirty oil out of the rocker cover, so the fresh oil becomes less contaminated.
I'd be a bit worried seeing metal debris in my oil/transmission fluids. Magnets will only attract the ferris stuff, i.e. shaft debris, the main bearings are white metal or whatever and the fiter media would retain that wear debris.
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Greetings, earthman. Hurry, you don't want to be late.....
I used the old fashioned way of removing the filter: Stab the thing with a screwdriver and use that for leverage) A length of cord might have worked?
The way I was feeling at the time I would have used said cord to hang myself. No skin on knuckles.... ouch!
*If you can't shift it, use a bigger hammer* Unwise being a master of the kinetic art form. Do not use the force, Heathen's damage their tools and ruin the thing to be removed, thus paying twice over and as *No Dosh* you might have sussed that.
This is Basic Mechanical Engineering Rule ii. Rule i. is to start with the biggest hammer you have. Rule iii. is to give you neighbour his broken bigger hammer back only after plying him with spirits laced with antifreeze. Never got to Rule iv, I was in casualty.
No Dosh ** Quick, talk motoring, Mark's coming! **
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Is that you Ford Prefect, at last!.
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Grab the towels, the Vogons are coming.
Am I the only one to spot the similarity between John Prescott and the Vogon Captain? The fact that the Vogons were chosen to do the galactic elite's dirty work is too much of a coincidence. Anyone for planetary destruction in the name of a bypass?
*Woosh! Off to the silly thread we go*
No Dosh ** Quick, talk motoring, Mark's coming! **
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. Am I the only one to spot the similarity between John Prescott and the Vogon Captain?
No
The Vogons were in the middle of a roadbuilding programme....
I have to grow old - but I don't have to grow up
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No The Vogons were in the middle of a roadbuilding programme.... I have to grow old - but I don't have to grow up
That was just a cover story. As the tale unfolds you discover that they are actually in the pockets of sinister forces (Millbank?) and are simply set on destruction.
Spooky.....
No Dosh ** Quick, talk motoring, Mark's coming! **
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Then again, Two Jags' prose is as appealing as Vogon poetry ;-)
I have to grow old - but I don't have to grow up
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Grab the towels, the Vogons are coming. Am I the only one to spot the similarity between John Prescott and the Vogon Captain? The fact that the Vogons were chosen to do the galactic elite's dirty work is too much of a coincidence. Anyone for planetary destruction in the name of a bypass? *Woosh! Off to the silly thread we go* No Dosh ** Quick, talk motoring, Mark's coming! **
If JP were the Vogon captain we could petition him to by pass through the planet that grew duff cam belts, hardly a place of special scientific interest.
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Well, I just know that either you will be taking this to the Silly Thread or you will miraculously through the use of devasting wit, return from the Vogon Destructor Fleet to motoring in general and oil change gadgets specifically.
Marvin.
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Point taken.
Our paranoid android leader.
It's too easy to go off thread here.
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Ok,
Serious point, already made by others but worth repeating.
Why drain off oil in this way, probably extremely slowly, leaving all the crud in your engine, sump and filter?
Pointless gadget of the year award. Ought to be in the "innovations" catalogue.
No Dosh ** Quick, talk motoring, Mark's coming! **
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I think we're back to where we started - perhaps this thread should be put out of its misery.
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I think we're back to where we started - perhaps this thread should be put out of its misery.
Yeah, but when we stopped referring to this infernal gadget Mark got tetchy.
Mind you, I didn't so much stray off-topic as leap off it.
No Dosh ** Quick, talk motoring, Mark's coming! **
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Tom! Love that one. My Tiger Cub had a built in oil change facility, i.e. it used 2 pints a week!
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Tiger CUb?
Wife in Laews father has one in his shed. Can't think of a tactful way to get hold of it as a winter project.
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I have followed the on topic part of this thread with interest.
This topic always causes great debate but reveals little in terms of fact (no offense intended).
I also track a Mercedes Forum hosted in the USA which has some real good members, some Tech, some DIY and some well just awesome.
This link will take you to one of the latters websites:
www.pindelski.com/cars/W126/W126_oil_suction/W126_...l
Sorry didn't know how to embed the link.
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Great, but who changes the oil without the filter anyway? and is a horizontally mounted messy job in an awkward place. Get the boil suit out not tux.
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That's the trouble - it just encourages you to change the oil and leave the filter. That's still better than not doing either, I suppose...
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....oh that feeling of hot oil running down your right hand sleeve....
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And the awe and wonder of how a very thin trickle of oil can bend at right angles in a slight breeze and *every* time hit something you havent covered up to protect it.
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I personally would not use such a device and would always remove the plug and let it drain for at least an hour whilst I address other service items and change the filter. A good tip here is to put a slip knot in a piece of string and when the plug is half way out lasso the plug and continue to undo the plug, then if you drop the plug in the drain container you don’t have to search around for it just pull it out. This helps avoid the hot oil running down the arm syndrome. Regards Peter
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Unfortunately smart owners have no option than this. No sump plug fitted so a pump it is, but pumps can be bought for a lot less than the figure first mentioned from marine suppliers (boat engines have to have oil sucked out). Never known anyone have a problem as a result of removing the oil this way.
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